I wanted to answer in more details, but then - I'm damn tired, and it
seems that what I write is difficult to understand, and I blame my own
lack of clarity for that.
I do agree with a lot of what you write, however, as far as I can tell,
there was no conspiracy theory on my part, to the contrary, I stated the
opposite several times, so I'd really like the tinfoil hats
generalization be avoided in the future. I'll do my best to avoid
rustling feathers, too.
It's me who was "helping the spammers", so don't forget - the conspiracy
is on my side, not yours, it's actually thanks to me that you're
receiving all those incredible offers :-)
I only wanted to get some warnings where modifications were done to the
configuration, rather than discovering them after digging when
subscribers complain to me. If I had been only told, none of that
discussion would have happened. I really didn't think it was so much to ask.
And I'm even one of those admins you happen to like, those who actually
manage carefully their -owner alias.
Laurent
Elaine Ashton a écrit :
On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Laurent Blume wrote:
As I was originating the thread you're evoking, I feel personally
insulted by your "tinafoil hat" remark.
I wanting to let that story die, but it seems you don't, so I'll
remind you of some points.
My perception of the whole incident was not a "rumor". You did tell me
off-list that you were about to take administrative control of all
mailing lists. Shortly therefater (one or two hours), that's exactly
what happened on the ug-fosug list only, for whatever reason.
You referred to the infrastructure management as a "benevolent
autocracy", knowing better as to what is good or not, thus, not
needing to explain the reasons of its actions.
Everything beyond your initial 'isn't this a security problem' about the
wildcards (to which I did agree and did tell you that I had wanted to
remove earlier) which then became a fun-fest of conspiracy theories and
other bizarro suggestions that it was anything more than pure laziness
on the part of those who implemented them.
I'd go down the road of defining the semantics of what we are talking
about when we talk about 'ownership', but I suspect that, too, would be
a waste of time. My interest lies only in the functioning of the lists,
not possession.
(As an aside, the bit with your list was that I was testing the HTML
translation from your original problem report and wanted the errors to
go to me...and I forgot to reconfigure it when I was done. I do believe
my human shield informed you of that. No conspiracy there, unless fixing
broken stuff is black ops.)
And, with regard to the benevolent autocracy, I was quoting my mother
who is dead and has never worked for Sun...and it was "occasionally
benevolent autocracy". She was German, too.
I'm very disappointed that all criticism concerning actions by Sun
employees always end up being dismissed by ssome as "yet another
conspiracy theory", and people making remarks in good faith being
ridiculed in public.
I don't know that suggesting the wildcards being a 'privilege' or some
sort of special treatment of people with sun.com addresses could be
taken as anything but a conspiracy theory. Heartfelt or not, such ideas
are stupid and should be named as such as they seem to keep coming up
and nobody wants to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them straight.
Not to mention removing those wildcards is still a massive pain in my
backside because people don't want to subscribe, don't want to wait for
moderation, etc. and complain bitterly that the lists are now broken.
You can't have it all and you can't win for trying.
e.
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