Hi, I just wanted to agree with you, Nils. People are really tired of these political discussions in a not-political list. I prefer reading things about new campaign translations, new strings to consider, new developing issues, and so on. That really enjoys me.
And let me add that I'm from Spain, I'm Catalan and my mother is Valencian. So I'm tired of this, but I cannot imagine how much tired could be Serbian, Russian, German or Chinese people, for example, that doesn't speak catalan/valencian and actually don't care at all about those political (not linguistic) issues. Sergi 2008/11/1 Nils Kneuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mario schrieb: > > I saw these translations and I saw that there are two translations: > > RACV language > > Valencian (southern Catalan) > > > > This names follow the proposal of Robert Millan who tried to sabotage my > > translation, as I proved. > > I don't see too much of a sabotage there and several long term developers > that > we talked to in IRC confirmed that the language as proposed by RACV is > differing > (slightly?) from the "official" catalan. So the translation was renamed. > > > The approved names for majority were Valencian (RACV) and Valencian (AVL) > or > > Valencian (official) > > > > I proved Valencian has the same hierachy that Catalan (see the laws and > ISO) > > and I proved that the language encoded by RACV (Royal Academy of > Valencian > > Culture) is Valencian too. > > Sorry, but this sounds like an all political discussion and it is really > tiring. > That is your arguments are not really this convincing to me. > > > These names don't inform to the players, these names are against the > users of > > these translations... It's a new attack but nobody did nothing and nobody > > informed me about this change. > > Then why do you not just provide a patch to change the name displayed in > the > language selection instead of ranting that it is wrong? At the moment > "Idioma de > la RACV" is used. Since I don't speak any of the approximately 500 > variations of > catalan/valencian/whatever I am not able to change the string to something > "correct"... > > > If nobody do nothing, Wesnoth will become a platform where some powerful > > people between developers do what they want, without thinking in the > users of > > these translations, and show their political ideas, ridiculing or > insulting > > the other ideas > > Sorry, but you are basically the one trying to turn this into a political > discussion. > > > The name of "RACV language" is a joke and it doesn't follow the reality > and > > the decision of consensus. It's another attack and it's against the > respect > > to other ideas. > > *WHICH* consensus? As I have seen so far there is absolutely no consensus > on how > to call the translation. That is basically two languages that somehow > differ in > some things claim the same name. How should someone not speaking any of the > two > judge? We can only see what is officially used in the country, which seems > to > not be the version as described (no idea if this term is correct) by RACV. > > > If this "mistake" isn't repaired rapidly, firstly I will inform to the > rest > > of developers and next I will publish what is happening. > > The rest of the developers know about the discussion from the wesnoth-dev > mailing list and are seriously annoyed about it. There is no new argument > in the > whole lines of mails, nothing seriously backing up arguments. It is just > repeating the same stuff over and over. And to keep those informed, I am > sending > this mail as CC to the dev ml. > > Instead of just saying "this musn't be done this way", why not do something > more > constructive? Provide some way for solving this mystery. > > > Sorry for this email but this situation is annoying for me the first and > for > > many Valencian people too. This name is against the users of my > translation, > > against the reality and against the consensus got here. I thought that > > Wesnoth is democratic and Wesnoth doesn't act imposing things. I hope I'm > not > > wrong. > > No, wesnoth is not a democracy. It is basically what we do, no votes and > whatever connected to it. Basically it is what the efforts from many > developers > make it. > > > Furthermore if you are using official ISO locale you should use: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > roa is the official ISO locale for other Romances > > ES for Spain > > va = valencian > > RACV, the academy > > > > In Firefox the locale used by Valencian (RACV) translation is "roa-ES-va" > > Wesnoth is not firefox. There is no "official" glibc locale for the RACV > version > of valencian, so we can as well stay with racv since it is not uservisible > anyway. If you got a good idea for the uservisible string ingame (lang > selection > and credits), submit a patch like Robert has done. > > Cheers, > Nils Kneuper aka Ivanovic > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkLlU0ACgkQfFda9thizwVe7gCfSK1ZoD1UqllTjcfPQ0uG0TfT > Wq0AnRXCpPLeiTOOmMMe5AA+d4g1qiQu > =7urK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wesnoth-dev mailing list > Wesnoth-dev@gna.org > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/wesnoth-dev >
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