Ben, I share your view. One time, I opined that we need to be tolerant of each others views. We can always disagree but lets emulate the House of Lords. Those guys are so gracious even when they disagree. Christine is a nice lady and open to learning. Hope she won't look at this as a problem. In our profession, when you loose a case, you get up, bow and thank the Judge or Magistrate. Can you imagine. Even when the Judge has erred and failed to appreciate the Law. You don't throw invectives and call the Judge names.
--- On Wed, 5/5/10, Bernard Bonton Obaa <obaa...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Bernard Bonton Obaa <obaa...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 9:39 AM Dear Christine, I like your courage to speak up your mind. It is good to have an outspoken lady like you on this forum which is dominated by men. I have two small problems with your latest posting. The first is the not-so-nice language (e.g. you have a skewed mind). The second relates to the fact that you have chosen to attack character (e.g. no action of yours has worked) but not ideas. It would be more civilized if we kept our cool and just focused our disagreements on ideas not the persons behind the ideas. We need to be tolerant to opposing views even if such views offend us. In other words, why don't we engage in intellectual debates instead of personal attacks? This kind of vile language and ping pong pisses off many people, myself inclusive. If you feel strongly about something, you can send a private email to whoever you are aggrieved with. That way, we won't know you lost your cool. Thanks, Ben On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:47 AM, christine munduru <cmund...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Akile, you are right to be mesmarised because there is no action of yours which has also worked. But my understanding is that many of you do not understand the arguments here, so it is of no importance to continue. If you have a skewed mind for what ever reason, you fail to objectively understand that a coin has tow sides. For now let us believe like you that a coin has only one side and we rest this topic. Christine From: Sunday Akile <akile...@yahoo.com> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:13 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A Christine, I am mesmarised by this consistent approach to this sort of debate orchestrated by Lee and ably being sustained by you and others. It is unfortunate that most our own people share the stand that; Once you sale eggs in a market, then you should never begin a fight lest you lose at least one if not the fight as well. I imagined that this view has long been held because of the kind of our markets. Being in a sorry state.I magine poor facilities, items for sale being placed either on the grass or simply the soil is cleaned for the display.But a lot has changed now. New and better markets are built and they can be built Arua, Adjumani, Moyo, Koboko, Yumbe, Nebi or whatever small one that is lingering in the minds. Even now days eggs are sold or carried in trays which makes it easy to navigate with them. Which even a notoriopus trader of eggs can confortably move alongside with a fight. Thus the irony that a fight should never be started by a vendor of eggs should never keeps us dreaming of the finishing line of the race yet we have not even put on the spikes to start the race.University or what ever........ The idea of the University at our door step is a super idea! but that idea and the successful bargain for it can only be through our ownselfs.Not at the alter or even the pulpit i believe our Rev.fathers, Imams and pastors or any other faithful will concur with me over this.Not the TODWONGs, BYARUHANGAs and PATAKIs of this world. But simply taking the bull by the horns! The stronger your bargain without the fear that you will loose your eggs the success you will see. The Universities, Big hospitals worthy of referal status and many more will all come like the admirable tarmac road that runs through the park to Arua save for Arua-Koboko-Moyo-Adjumani-Gulu, and Arua-Yumbe which is yet to be realised but not through fear that the eggs will brake!. Lee, and Christine i find your work is well researched.There is cause to like it because every research embrassing society world over has never remained the same. Lee, Christine and all those with the same mind i find no cause for any panic. Share your Research with us; Cos, i need it and i know many others out there need it. And believe me whether pro or anti all alike will benefit if they put it to good use. Akile Sunday Igu Rocks (Practicing Advocate with M/s Akile, Olok & Advocates Kampala) From: christine munduru <cmund...@yahoo.com> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 4:27:23 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A If I am right, milk is preserved fresh by using sustainable source of power. Was this also provided by the Bushenyi farmers? Will West Nile forum provide power for our people? How many of those cows have been given to people free or at subsidized prices in these regions we are proud of. How many of these have been given to West Nilers? Atleast recently I watch some of these cows being given to a group of women in some of those areas. I also agree that our people are generally lazy. Let us not deceive ourselves that without the good will of the government, we can do everything. We have a part to play and government has a part to play and both parties must come to a table for this to happen. I think this is what we are saying here. Construction and equipment of health centers is done by governement for example, unless it is private and but even then it is the government to give the permission for it to happen. We shall beat about the bush but we shall not run away from the truth. From: francis azabo <ajaxaz...@yahoo.com> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 4:04:42 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A Nice one Emma, I believe everything has a starting point. Even the best laid strategies can fail if implementation is bad. I believe when WNF kick starts, there will be lots of challenges and learning points and its not short term anyway. However your observations and comparisons can't be ignored. The concept group should alert us on whats happening so far. From: Longo Emmanuel <emmalongo2...@yahoo.com> To: westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 13:57:43 Subject: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A Dear all, I am writing because I feel i have to write:Why WNF cannot steer into the development of West Nile Region. In part A, I will limit my self to example of Bushenyi( whose politics i have ardently been following for the last 15 years!) and will share it for the purposes of our reflection. i) academic excellence: In this years' PLE results, Arua district had 87 first graders while Bushenyi 573.Condering it is now being split into 5 districts, it means each sub county had 114 first graders-far better than Arua District!...(somebody can crosscheck my statistics and also update us on O' and A'level as well!); ii) As an Engineer in Mbale in 2002 then, I happenned to have been on the Bushenyi District Local Government assesment team(peer review). On going through the LCV council minutes, we found out that 98% of the agenda was on development issues(driect poverty alleviation!). The team noted that most of the districts in Uganda then were bickering alot over petty issues and to date some still are e.g the Maracha-Terego circus. iii) In 2002, the dialy economy of Bushenyi District was about 2.3 billion shillings per day ( perhaps a WNF member can crosscheck the current status in relation to Arua District and all W/Nile districts and file us in!).The biggest source of revenue are matoke and milk; iv) The Bushenyi District Local Government and District Dairy Corperative union actually bougth Uganda Dairy Corperation before sameer group( and there is actually a partnership between them-I think??) v) Almost all cattle keeping families have crossed(improved) breeds of goats,cowsand therefore have daily income for extra value addition! vi) Ask Bushenyian( and some of us), their development has had nothing to do with MUSEVENI being in power( For Mbarara yes...). They only thank him for providing access to markets..that is all! Way back in 1920's-50's that has been the status quo through their developmental chief; vii) Bushenyians are shrewd and are hard working(more than Bakiga women!). During Obote II Government,five(5) cabinet Ministers came from there(including the speaker of Parliament) and 5 Ambassadors! In conclusion, it is ONLY when we re-align ourselves with Government/Donor priorties and network at community level, that we could make some in roads. Perhaps our focus should be on seeking to strengthen such systems or even put parrallel in place-BUT with clearly spelt out issues,programmes and achievable targets. We could then seek to utilize our many PhD holders from the region as consultants in our local issues. I am convinced the strategy and focus of WNF needs re-defining, even though i have never seen a copy of it. 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