Wicket has markup inheritance and borders for layout/ templating and
<wicket:remove> for putting in dummy content so that you can design a
page as if it were complete with the templates etc.

Eelco


On 3/26/06, tcolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With JSF there are layouts, and that is helping a bit, so yes we have
> footer, headers etc... and we try to keep those separated as much as
> possible of course.
> Those rearely change anyway, the main content is what changes the most.
> On the other hand the layout thing as a big drawbak, the designer  will
> only see the piece of html he is actually working on, say "footer", now
> often the "header" contains the stylesheet call .... so he will see a
> footer without style all by itself.
>
> I don't know that there is a perfect solution to this, but the least
> code there is in the html the better it works, so wicket is best for me.
>
> Thomas Singer wrote:
>
> >> then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages
> >> (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have
> >> reusable templates IMO)
> >
> >
> > Shouldn't the web-application framework provide a mechanism for the
> > templates? What about the idea to have the "page general look" (e.g.
> > page header, navigation) in just *one file* (clean HTML, because
> > designed by the designer), where the content is in the other markup
> > files (clean HTML, because designed by the designer)?
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Thomas Singer
> >
> >
> > tcolar schrieb:
> >
> >>> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
> >>
> >> good HTML >with proper CSS. Well designer typically use Dreamweaver or
> >> such. So if the HTML/CSS is not good, blame that on on Micromedia I
> >> usually get the designer to do an "initial template" in DW, and then
> >> i "fix it", cleaning the html and CSS, and making the layout
> >> "logical", then i just give them that back and they can use it to do
> >> all the pages (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even
> >> doable to have reusable templates IMO)
> >>
> >>> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
> >>
> >> average >designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
> >> Photoshop, and let a >technical person build the HTML. Well, we endup
> >> having to do that because of JSF, but that is not a good process,
> >> besides
> >> converting from photoshop to HTML/CSS in a a text editor, is very
> >> tedious. My main concern though here is not so much for the initial site
> >>  development, but for the ongoing miantenance. The cotent maintenance
> >> (text/images/layout) should preferably be possible to do just by
> >> marketing/design people without involving developers. for one developers
> >> can't speak marketing and vice-versa so it's wasting time, and i think
> >> it's waste of resources having developers do this. But fact is with JSF,
> >> develoers have to be called for even the most basic content layout
> >> changes since the designer just can't work with that JSP mess.
> >>
> >>> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
> >>
> >> true :-) , it is was up to me .....
> >>
> >> Timo Stamm wrote:
> >>
> >>> tcolar schrieb:
> >>>
> >>>> That one kills me:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Patrick (WebWork): "I've found that "HTML/CSS developers" and "app
> >>>>> developers" rarely
> >>>>
> >>>> are >separated
> >>>>
> >>>>> like Tapestry likes to pretend they are"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I could not disgree more with that, only geeks working on their ugly
> >>>>  homepage say this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree with it, and while I am not sure whether I am a geek, I
> >>> don't even have a homepage.
> >>>
> >>> I think there is a misunderstanding. Patrick doesn't claim that
> >>> /design/ and app development are done by one person. He claims that
> >>> HTML/CSS and app development are done by one person.
> >>>
> >>> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
> >>> good HTML with proper CSS.
> >>>
> >>> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
> >>> average designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
> >>> Photoshop, and let a technical person build the HTML.
> >>>
> >>> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Timo
> >>>
> >>>
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