Also, check out what Ryan did, which is now integrated into Wicket: http://jroller.com/page/wireframe?entry=preview_multiple_levels_of_components
Eelco On 3/26/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wicket has markup inheritance and borders for layout/ templating and > <wicket:remove> for putting in dummy content so that you can design a > page as if it were complete with the templates etc. > > Eelco > > > On 3/26/06, tcolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With JSF there are layouts, and that is helping a bit, so yes we have > > footer, headers etc... and we try to keep those separated as much as > > possible of course. > > Those rearely change anyway, the main content is what changes the most. > > On the other hand the layout thing as a big drawbak, the designer will > > only see the piece of html he is actually working on, say "footer", now > > often the "header" contains the stylesheet call .... so he will see a > > footer without style all by itself. > > > > I don't know that there is a perfect solution to this, but the least > > code there is in the html the better it works, so wicket is best for me. > > > > Thomas Singer wrote: > > > > >> then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages > > >> (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have > > >> reusable templates IMO) > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't the web-application framework provide a mechanism for the > > > templates? What about the idea to have the "page general look" (e.g. > > > page header, navigation) in just *one file* (clean HTML, because > > > designed by the designer), where the content is in the other markup > > > files (clean HTML, because designed by the designer)? > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Thomas Singer > > > > > > > > > tcolar schrieb: > > > > > >>> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone > > >> > > >> good HTML >with proper CSS. Well designer typically use Dreamweaver or > > >> such. So if the HTML/CSS is not good, blame that on on Micromedia I > > >> usually get the designer to do an "initial template" in DW, and then > > >> i "fix it", cleaning the html and CSS, and making the layout > > >> "logical", then i just give them that back and they can use it to do > > >> all the pages (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even > > >> doable to have reusable templates IMO) > > >> > > >>> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the > > >> > > >> average >designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in > > >> Photoshop, and let a >technical person build the HTML. Well, we endup > > >> having to do that because of JSF, but that is not a good process, > > >> besides > > >> converting from photoshop to HTML/CSS in a a text editor, is very > > >> tedious. My main concern though here is not so much for the initial site > > >> development, but for the ongoing miantenance. The cotent maintenance > > >> (text/images/layout) should preferably be possible to do just by > > >> marketing/design people without involving developers. for one developers > > >> can't speak marketing and vice-versa so it's wasting time, and i think > > >> it's waste of resources having developers do this. But fact is with JSF, > > >> develoers have to be called for even the most basic content layout > > >> changes since the designer just can't work with that JSP mess. > > >> > > >>> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;) > > >> > > >> true :-) , it is was up to me ..... > > >> > > >> Timo Stamm wrote: > > >> > > >>> tcolar schrieb: > > >>> > > >>>> That one kills me: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Patrick (WebWork): "I've found that "HTML/CSS developers" and "app > > >>>>> developers" rarely > > >>>> > > >>>> are >separated > > >>>> > > >>>>> like Tapestry likes to pretend they are" > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I could not disgree more with that, only geeks working on their ugly > > >>>> homepage say this. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I agree with it, and while I am not sure whether I am a geek, I > > >>> don't even have a homepage. > > >>> > > >>> I think there is a misunderstanding. Patrick doesn't claim that > > >>> /design/ and app development are done by one person. 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