LOL @ "my 2c."
My intension is not to point a defect or assign responsibility but to
highlight a nice to have document/paper/whatever to address architecture
design and core framework inner workings.
If Elco is reading this, or Martijn, then please guys, put a chapter on it,
or put some chapters on core framework. It would make an important book to
have on wicket.
regards to all,
f(t)
PS: Unanswered question, is it or not Wicket named after the ewok? ¬_¬'
On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help
from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we
have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on
wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont
know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you
might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user
contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing
about this.
what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up
to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask
us for clarifications/reviews.
my 2c.
-igor
On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Can we "vote" on this issue? can I call this an issue?
>
> Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this
> article is mostly "Object Structure", and "How to Apply it..." but lacks a
> little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It
> surely taught me though. :)
>
> Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or
> small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below?
>
> And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF
> regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture.
>
> With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer
> questions like this one:
>
> "*Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* "
> (posted a minute ago by "Thomas R. Corbin")
>
> This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some
> IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from
> articles on How-To's.
>
> Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing
> architecture and core components behavior.
>
> regards to all,
>
> -f(t)
>
> On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still
> > a lot
> > aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page
> > request
> > cycle and so on.
> >
> > me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation,
> > pro
> > wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages,
> > tabbedpanel
> > etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of
> > stuffs,
> > especially with new 1.3 features.
> >
> > I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor
> > changes
> > drop?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > Paolo Di Tommaso wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really
> > missing
> > > a
> > > good tutorial about core concepts.
> > >
> > > I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there
> > still a
> > > lot
> > > aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page
> > > request
> > > cycle and so on.
> > >
> > > Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the
> > web
> > > application stack (and they are many and many not just web page
> > rendering
> > > ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core
> > concepts
> > > would
> > > be very useful to novice users as well as experts.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > - Paolo
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> as far as models go
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models
> >
> > >>
> > >> -igor
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I will be glad to help out in any way.
> > >> >
> > >> > Here are my thoughts to the community.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for
> > >> > instance:
> > >> >
> > >> > Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations)
> > >> > Session
> > >> > Application
> > >> > Pages
> > >> >
> > >> > Listeners
> > >> > Versioning
> > >> > Request and Response Cycles
> > >> >
> > >> > Page Life Cycle.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket
> > application
> > >> > than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks
> > :P)
> > >> which
> > >> > are the concepts and design guidelines we should have?
> > >> >
> > >> > That is what I am trying to address.
> > >> >
> > >> > Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the
> > right
> > >> > person to build this type of document.
> > >> >
> > >> > Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the
> > Book
> > >> > Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate
> > to 1.3,
> > >> > and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a
> > month
> > >> or
> > >> > so.
> > >> >
> > >> > Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help
> > out.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > f(t)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > i dont think we have something that is focused on the core
> > >> > > architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy
> > to
> > >> answer them
> > >> > > and maybe you can compile them into a document.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level
> > >> > > documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc
> > take up a
> > >> lot of
> > >> > > time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have
> > enough
> > >> knowledge
> > >> > > to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -igor
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I
> > >> browsed
> > >> > > > the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > For instance:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > appears to list many referential "How to"'s but not core
> > framework
> > >> > > > architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the
> > reference
> > >> samples.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects.
> > Other
> > >> > > > than the javadoc I mean.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > francisco
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > our wiki has links to various articles that might be of
> > help to
> > >> > > > > you. browsing the wiki is usually also good.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > -igor
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail <
> > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro
> > wicket
> > >> > > > > >
> > >>
<http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178205890&sr=8-1
> > >
> > >> > > > > > .
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me
> > in the
> > >> > > > > > right direction to read something on-line.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line
> > book
> > >> /
> > >> > > > > > etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on
> > how to
> > >> structure
> > >> > > > > > your design.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I
> > got
> > >> > > > > > around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing
> > list.
> > >> But I cannot
> > >> > > > > > say at all that I know wicket.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I would very much like to learn more about its internals
> > 'cause
> > >> > > > > > I think that will also guide me to better designs by
> > knowing
> > >> more of wicket
> > >> > > > > > potentials.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > f(t)
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real "wicked"
> > as in
> > >> > > > > > "cool" or "awsome" framework or from the name of the
> > cutest
> > >> EWOK on Episode
> > >> > > > > > 6? XD.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
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