hm, a. > the dark side
... might be where most bright light bulbs are producing the nicest shades of shadow ;-) b. > how can we form research projects around this maybe by looking at how power is being upheld by those in power instead of looking at what those should do or have done that have less of it (or seem to have); only then look at what could be done to create other hegemonies (maybe take what Chantal Mouffe is saying re antagonist agonism, in: Agonistics. Thinking the World Politically, 2013) best, Claudia ---------- Original Message ----------- From:WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research- l...@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent:Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:29:55 +0000 Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] types of research Re: a cautious note on genderstats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > This might appear to some to be getting a little > off topic for this list, but if you are beginning > to think that of this thread I would plead for a > little indulgence, and for people to approach this > thread from the angle of how can we form research > projects around this. Like many people I regard > the dark side of the community as a legitimate > topic for research and I would point out that the > foundation is offering grant funds for projects > targeted at the gender gap. > > My reversal of Kerry's statement would be more like: > > "I think if we can make Wikipedia less attractive > to bullies, I rather suspect we make it a more > attractive place for everyone else." > > Since we don't know how to do this (yes there are > some easy part solutions out there, but no magic > bullets, certainly none that wouldn't have > troubling side effects) there is an opportunity > for researchers to make some innovative proposals. > > Regards > > Jonathan Cardy > > > On 17 Feb 2015, at 08:20, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: > > > > (disclaimer: research-wise, in this thread, I am speaking from a margin > > position in a role maybe similar to the one Shakespeare potrays his fools in, > > because it is not my field and I only have a rather vague idea of how people > > actually undertake such studies) > > > > re > >> I think if we can make Wikipedia more attractive > >> to women, I rather suspect we make it a more > >> attractive place for everyone. > > > > what about yet another reversal game and see what happens: > > > > this would be Kerry's statement from another perspective: > > "I think if we can make Wikipedia less attractive > > to men, I rather suspect we make it a more > > attractive place for everyone." > > > > what kind of reseach design would be needed for this? > > > > best, > > Claudia > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From:"Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> > > To:"'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'" <wiki- research- > > l...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Sent:Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:59:35 +1000 > > Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] types of research Re: a cautious note on > > genderstats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > > > >> I agree the issues are not necessarily about male- > >> female interactions. It may be about bully-victim > >> interactions. I often suspect we are seeing an > >> online form of > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment > >> > >> playing out, where anyone can choose to be the > >> prison guard enforcing the rules (of which we have > >> plenty) taking advantage of the lack of real-world > >> accountability (thanks to pseudonymity). > >> > >> However, in terms of any kind of metric to measure > >> progress, I think measuring Male/Female/DontKnow > >> is a lot more viable than trying to count the > >> number of bullies and victims (or powerful vs less > >> powerful). > >> > >> I think if we can make Wikipedia more attractive > >> to women, I rather suspect we make it a more > >> attractive place for everyone. > >> > >> Kerry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki- > >> research-l > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki- > research-l ------- End of Original Message ------- _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
