Yes, percentage tells a very different story to absolute counts.
Just looking at number of VE edits, I was in the top 10 with my 303 VE edits. But as a percentage, I came in about #98 with a mere 10% of my 3063 edits. If I had been asked to guess, I would have said about 25- 30% of my edits would VE, but I did a lot of housekeeping edits with AWB recently, which is dragging down my VE proportion which I think is probably closer to 30% when I am doing content creation. Raw numbers: Kerry Raymond 303 3063 9.8923 I have a number of reasons to keep using the source editor, but they all boil down to the same thing, a need to use “canned” or generated chunks of wikitext. These are always well-formed units of wikitext (tags closed, brackets balanced, etc) which presumably parse to significant non-terminals in the grammar, rather than “fragments” of wikitext which I realise could complicate matters. Speaking of which, can someone point me at the grammar for our wikitext? What are we dealing with? LL, LALR, LR, or (as I fear) something more hideous …? Kerry From: wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Morgan Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2015 8:50 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip? For anyone who's still curious, here's[1] a set of all the editors who have made over 100 article edits on Enwiki in the past 30 days: their total article edits, total VE article edits, and the % of total made with VE. And the winner is... User:Hessamnia![2] 1. http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/4809 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20160101000000&limit=500&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Hessamnia&namespace=0> &offset=20160101000000&limit=500&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Hessamnia&namespace=0 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com <mailto:aaron.halfa...@gmail.com> > wrote: I feel like I should expand on my skepticism of HHVM as a mechanism for the observed rise in active editors. The average edit takes 7 minutes[1,2]. HHVM reduces the time to *save* the edit by a couple seconds. 7 minutes - a couple seconds = ~7 minutes. So, HHVM doesn't really help you edit substantially faster. 1. Geiger, R. S., & Halfaker, A. (2013, February). Using edit sessions to measure participation in Wikipedia. In Proceedings of the 2013 conference on Computer supported cooperative work (pp. 861-870). ACM. 2. Halfaker, A., Keyes, O., Kluver, D., Thebault-Spieker, J., Nguyen, T., Shores, K., ... & Warncke-Wang, M. (2015, May). User Session Identification Based on Strong Regularities in Inter-activity Time. In Proceedings of the 24th International Conference on World Wide Web (pp. 410-418). International World Wide Web Conferences Steering Committee. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Halfaker <ahalfa...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ahalfa...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: So, I've been digging into this a bit. Regretfully, I don't have my results written up in a nice, consumable format. So, you'll need to deal with my worklogs. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Active_editor_spike_2015/Work_log/2015-07-09 TL;DR: It looks like there was a sudden burst in new registrations. Work by Neil Quinn of the Editing Team suggests that these new registrations were largely the result of changes to the mobile app. I didn't specifically look at 100+ monthly editors. That seems like a fine extension of the study. I'd be happy to support someone else to do that work. I have some datasets that should make it relatively easy. > If the data is correct, then [HHVM] is likely to be one of the main reasons > for the change. Correlation is not causation. There's no cause to arrive at this conclusion. In my limited study of the effects of HHVM on newcomer engagement, I found no meaningful effect. I think that, before we consider HHVM as a cause of this, we should at least propose a mechanism and look for evidence of that mechanism. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:HHVM_newcomer_engagement_experiment On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com> > wrote: Most of those editors will have done 33 edits or less using V/E, and some, including me in 4th place, will have been having a look at V/E after the attention it has had recently at Wikimania, on the signpost and on mailing lists. I'm not sure that something that barely involves 10% of a group of editors could have had such a big effect. More likely and just at the right time, late 2014, Erik Zachte has reminded me that we had a major speed-up with php parser change. <http://hhvm.com/blog/7205/wikipedia-on-hhvm> http://hhvm.com/blog/7205/wikipedia-on-hhvm If the data is correct, then that is likely to be one of the main reasons for the change. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 17 Aug 2015, at 19:11, Jonathan Morgan <jmor...@wikimedia.org <mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: It looks like about 10% of highly active Enwiki editors have used VE in the past month (across all namespaces): http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/4795 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com> > wrote: On a very non-scientific measure of how few editors currently use V/E, I took some snapshots of the most recent 500 mainspace edits <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30> yesterday and was getting circa 1% tagged as visual editor, I've just run two sample this afternoon and the first had not a single edit tagged Visual editor and the other only four, so unless some of those experienced users using V/e have opted out of having their edits tagged V/E, I'm assuming "gobs and gobs" are either on other language wikis, heavily skewed to a time of day I haven't sampled or big in number but still too small a proportion to account for the increase in the number of editors doing >100 edits per month. On 17 August 2015 at 15:54, Jonathan Morgan <jmor...@wikimedia.org <mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: There are gobs and gobs* of people using VE. Many of them are experienced editors. I'm also interested in looking at VE adoption over time (especially by veteran editors). I'll sniff around and let y'all know if I find anything. No idea what might be causing the boost in active editor numbers. But it's exciting to see :) Anyone else have data that bears on these questions? - J *non-scientific estimate drawn from anecdata On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:53 AM, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com> > wrote: That's an interesting theory, but are there many people actually using V/E now? I've just gone back through recent changes looking for people using it, and apart from half a dozen newbies I've welcomed I'm really not seeing many V/E edits. Looking at the history of Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback&offset=&limit=500&action=history> the last 500 edits go back three months. So apart from the Interior, you and I Kerry I'm not sure there is a huge number of people testing it, and I wasn't testing it in the first 6 months of this year. I did see some research where they were claiming that retention rates for V/E editors were now as good as for people using the classic editor, but I would be surprised if there were enough people using V/E to make a difference to these figures, especially as this is about the editors doing over 100 edits a month. I agree it would be interesting to track the take-up of the VE (fully or partially) by editor by year of original signup. But I think the long awaited boost from V?E editing is yet to come, if the regulars have started to increase that is likely to be due to something else. Jonathan On 15 August 2015 at 15:11, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raym...@gmail.com <mailto:kerry.raym...@gmail.com> > wrote: Is there any way of telling what proportion of these 8% appear to be using the Visual Editor either exclusively or partially? It might be interesting to track the take-up of the VE (fully or partially) by editor by year of original signup. Kerry From: wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> ] On Behalf Of WereSpielChequers Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2015 11:12 PM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >; The Wikimedia Foundation Research Committee mailing list <rco...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:rco...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip? Hi, With 8% more editors contributing over 100 edits in June 2015 than in <https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm> June 2014, we have now had six consecutive months where this particular metric of the core community is looking positive. One or two months could easily be a statistical blip, especially when you compare calender months that may have 5 weekends in one year and four the next. But 6 months in a row does begin to look like a change in pattern. As far as caveats go I'm aware of several of the reasons why raw edit count is a suspect measure, but I'm not aware of anything that has come in in this year that would have artificially inflated edit counts and brought more of the under 100 editors into the >100 group. I know there was a recent speedup, which should increase subsequent edit rates, and one of the edit filters got disabled in June, but neither of those should be relevant to the Jan-May period. Would anyone on this list be aware of something that would have otherwise thrown that statistic? Otherwise I'm considering submitting something to the Signpost. 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