Thanks for your suggestions and links. We'll consider all of them. Shani.
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 04:04 Stuart A. Yeates <syea...@gmail.com wrote: > I've been active in WMF projects for more than a decade (evidence at > https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Stuartyeates ) and have > seen _many_ similar surveys (a partial list can be found at > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_studies_of_Wikipedia#Survey_and_poll_results > ). Wikidata is just flavor of the month. > > You talk about looking for correlation, but your questions do not > appear to be designed to collect data that statistical correlations > can be run on. When you use a free-text box for "In which country do > you currently live?" and conflate three pieces of information in one > free text field with "Where do you work? (The name of the workplace, > city and country)" you seem unlikely to get data suitable for > algorithmic correlation. The country information appears to be asked > for twice in different ways, it's not clear what sampling purpose this > serves or what research question this answers. > > You say "Every single question in this questionnaire is asking > participants about their *personal experience* engaging with Wikidata > as a learning platform, making it personal information." But there is > no evidence that you've seriously engaged with the responsibilities of > collecting and holding personal data; it appears you will be in breach > of the EU data protection guidelines if a single EU citizens answer > your survey, for example. > > I suggest that you take a read of the resources at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_Insights so that > you can normalise your demographics and leverage the experience of > many people who have been surveying WMF users for a _very_ long time. > > I am not unsupportive of research --- it's the only way forward in > lots of areas, but it needs to be good research. > > cheers > stuart > -- > ...let us be heard from red core to black sky > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 12:02, Shani Evenstein <shani.e...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hello, Stuart. > > > > Thank you for your feedback. A few comments on what you wrote -- > > > > * With the exception of username & email (which are mandatory), all the > > other personal details are not, so it is up to participants to decide on > > their level of interaction and involvement. Some people are happy to > share > > the information requested, some less so. > > > > * Every single piece of data collected is related to a research > > question(s). As an example, one part of the questionnaire focuses on > > community and how it influences learning. For this part specifically, we > > wanted to check (among other things) for a correlation between online > > activity on WD and participation in various social media platforms, such > as > > the WD Facebook group and the telegram group, so a cross between the > > username and real name is needed. That does not suit everyone, and that's > > fine, but it's a question we'd like to answer and are therefore > collecting > > this information from those willing to provide it. > > > > * Not sure which "similar surveys" you are comparing this research to, > but > > there was never any similar research about Wikidata. Even the ones I know > > of about Wikipedia, also do not research for exactly what I'm > researching. > > That said, many research papers I've read that deal with learners, try to > > infer from personal data such as age, occupation, gender etc. This is not > > uncommon and the terms of confidentiality were expressed clearly. > > > > * When you write, "the overview suggests that further pages are going to > > ask for more personal information", that is absolutely right. > > Every single question in this questionnaire is asking participants about > > their *personal experience* engaging with Wikidata as a learning > platform, > > making it personal information. I'm unsure why you find that problematic. > > That is what questionnaires do. They ask participants about their > > experience with X. > > > > Finally, our community never had any similar research done on Wikidata, > > especially not in relation to Education, and I have naturally asked for > the > > community's support. > > This research cannot happen without the community. It reply on it > heavily, > > unlike other (and very popular) "big data" approaches. > > There are various way in which the community demonstrated its support -- > > some chose to fill out the questionnaire; some even agreed to participate > > in a follow up interview; some would not fill it out themselves, but have > > shared it with their local communities; some simply sent some good words > > and 'good luck' my way; and some sent me (welcome) feedback on things to > > improve. They did so (and continue to do so) because they know it's an > > important topic, and I'd like to believe that it's also because they know > > me and trust me. They know that being part of the community, I will do > > whatever I can to use the information they shared with me for the good > and > > for creating positive impact in Academia (which I have done for years > with > > Wikipedia and now with Wikidata). > > > > While I do not expect anyone to show support blindly, I do find your > > message a bit puzzling -- weather you meant it or not, your mail suggests > > that your are unsupportive of this research and your tone was dismissive, > > without portraying the situation accurately, nor by checking the details > > properly. > > That is your prerogative, as is not filling out the questionnaire. But I > > would urge you to reconsider. > > Take a closer look. Assume good faith. And you'll find that once you pass > > the personal info part, the questions are not at all intrusive, but > rather > > focused, genuine, inquisitive and most importantly -- focused on the > > Wikidata experience you've had. > > > > In short, I hope you reconsider. If you don't, that's fine as well. > > > > Shani. > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > *Shani Evenstein Sigalov* > > EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School > > of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. > > PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. > > Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. > > Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>. > > Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group>. > > Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society > > <http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>. > > Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>. > > *+972-525640648* > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:52 PM Stuart A. Yeates <syea...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I find the personal information requested particularly intrusive > > > compared to other similar surveys (and the overview suggests that > > > further pages are going to ask for more personal information), > > > especially since the cover page does not mention any ethics board > > > approval (not sure if this is required in Israel). > > > > > > Do you really have a plan for evaluating the responses that requires > > > all this information? If not, why are you collecting it? > > > > > > As it stand I'll not be answering this survey. > > > > > > cheers > > > stuart > > > > > > -- > > > ...let us be heard from red core to black sky > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:14, Shani Evenstein <shani.e...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, Leila! > > > > Not sure why this happened with the link, but happy you found one > that > > > > works. :) > > > > > > > > Shani. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > *Shani Evenstein Sigalov* > > > > EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler > School > > > > of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. > > > > PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. > > > > Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. > > > > Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>. > > > > Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group > >. > > > > Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society > > > > <http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>. > > > > Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>. > > > > *+972-525640648* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:00 PM Leila Zia <le...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Shani and all, > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:27 AM Shani Evenstein < > shani.e...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wiki-researchers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a huge favor to ask of everyone in this mailing list -- > > > > > > > > > > > > TLDR: *please fill out* *this questionnaire > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/%E2%80%8Bhttps://goo.gl/forms/WMFb6j2mpG2HwFTx2 > > > ! > > > > > !>!* > > > > > > > > > > There is something about the above link that doesn't work. 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