https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61729
--- Comment #14 from MZMcBride <b...@mzmcbride.com> --- (In reply to Erik Moeller from comment #13) > We can't get consensus on a per-wiki basis before enabling any software > change. That has never been our practice and never will be. Nobody is asking you to. > What are the actual material issues with this deploy? I think both you and Maryana are perhaps missing the point. * [[m:Wikimedia Forum/Archives/2010-04#LiquidThreads]] * [[m:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-12#LiquidThreads]] * [[m:Meta:Babel/Archives/2012-01#Enabling Liquid Thread on meta]] The Flow team has put forward the idea that it can operate in a vacuum on a wiki. I don't believe this is acceptable or reasonable. The Flow team has also put forward the idea that hyper-local consensus (or in the case of Meta-Wiki, no visible consensus...) can override project or global consensus. This is pretty unchartered territory, no? For example, when's the last time a group of five or six users determined whether to enable an extension on the English Wikipedia? The Flow team says Flow will be opt-in software, but then unilaterally declares that it's going to deploy Flow to Meta-Wiki, with an accompanying self-merge in Gerrit, and without any on-wiki discussion or any attempt to discuss the idea with the Meta-Wiki community. Consensus is a _pillar_ of Wikimedia wikis. I can't help but think that Tomasz is correct that you're repeating the mistakes of VisualEditor by trying to steamroll communities into accepting this software. Particularly on a smaller wiki such as Meta-Wiki, Flow can't simply exist in a vacuum. Special:RecentChanges, Special:Watchlist, IRC feeds, etc. are all common and will be infected by Flow. Echoing what I said in comment 8, Meta-Wiki has repeatedly rejected LiquidThreads, but perhaps the response to Flow will be different. Has anyone asked the Meta-Wiki community about its thoughts on using alpha discussion software? If the Flow team came into this seeking collaboration, it might find users willing to test out its software. I can't directly stop you from deploying the Flow extension to Meta-Wiki or any other Wikimedia wiki against the local community's wishes, but I wouldn't recommend it: history has repeatedly shown that the insurgents quite often beat out an occupying force. If you try to force Flow onto the wikis, I think you can only expect backlash and an increasingly inhospitable discussion environment. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
