https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208
--- Comment #93 from Happy-melon <happy.melon.w...@gmail.com> 2011-09-16 23:45:07 UTC --- (In reply to comment #90) > Erik Moeller, and Happy Melon, > This is indeed not the place to re-litigate a decision but I strongly > insist that there is no case for rediscussion the consensus anyway. 'You' > should > make a real effort to work together with the Wikipedia community rather > than constantly assert and reassert the notion of 'us (the WMF) and 'them' > (the volunteers). I'm an enwiki administrator, functionary and contributor with thirty thousand edits; and a volunteer MediaWiki developer who doesn't and never has taken payment or direction from WMF. Eric is VP of Engineering and WMF Deputy Director. You could not have chosen two people *less* comparable to claim share an "us and them" mentality. The people who have responded to this bug fall right across the spectrum from volunteer developers like myself through to senior staff members. They do not form an "us" in any meaningful sense of the word. On the other hand, there *is* a separation of *cultures* here, and it's something that an awful lot of members of the wiki communities do not appreciate. The developers and (separately) the sysadmins/WMF form their own separate communities with their own goals and practices; and those goals and practices, while closely matching those of enwiki or whereverwiki, do not necessarily precisely align. There is nothing unrealistic, or wrong, with enwiki having goals which are very slightly different from those of the WMF as a whole, or for their requests to not be ones that the Foundation feels bests fits with their own strategies. Think of the developers, and separately the sysadmins (although there is more crossover between those two groups than there usually is between two wiki communities), in exactly the same way you would think of the Wikimedia Commons community. Most WMF wikis have a strong and healthy symbiotic relationship with Commons, and the Commons community generally does a fairly good job of balancing the needs of the many wikis it supports. But the relationship between enwiki and commons is certainly not without its moments of tension, and sometimes the enwiki community does not feel that it is getting everything it would like. But there is an instinctive recognition throughout the community that enwiki has no 'right' to expect any more cooperation than it gets, because Commons is its own project with its own values, and that they will have to convince Commons that whatever it is that they want to do is in the best interests of *both* projects, in order to progress. If you treat the community of developers and sysadmins in the same way, you'll understand the situation much better. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
