(putting it back on list as I think it helps to reach a common understanding of what we try and what we should achieve)
2012/4/6 Gregor Hagedorn <g.m.haged...@gmail.com> > off list, because I am afraid this is getting off-topic, but you can > put it back to list if you like: > > > In Wikidata they would be represented as two pages, one for the Kubistar > > (which would link to the Danish and German page for the Kubistar), and > one > > for the Kangoo (which would link to the 20 language versions of the > Kangoo > > article, including a Danish and a German one). This is a rather simple > > example, which would be easily expressed with the exact matches that we > > suggest. > > > So far I fail to understand: where would the actual data for the model > live (the kangoo page is a summary page for models with different > specs in the infoboxes) > > I assume on separate wikidata pages, that have no relation to the kangoo > page? > > Correct. Information about different models would be given on different Kangoo pages. If there is no Wikipedia page for that model in a given Wikipedia, no Wikipedia link should be given. (This does not mean that there can be no information displayed about them in the given Wikipedia: any Wikipedia article will be able to display any information about any item in Wikidata in phase 3). > I am concerned with reverse discovery of information by editors coming > from wikipedia to wikidata. I realize this is a separate topic, but > one in the back of my mind (or rather in my use case scenario) and why > I am arguing to allow such relations. > > There will be plenty of links connecting Wikidata items with each other. I don't think that this kind of information discovery will be a major hurdle. > > --- > > The kubistar example is interesting to me, because wikidata would then > suggest the english wikipedia has no information on the kubistar, > whereas it really is available on the kangoo page. > > this is in fact one thing that the interlanguage links have been used > for, but because of situations as above with limited success. > > The assumption that because there is no article about X in a given Wikipedia, there is no information about X in that Wikipedia, is not correct, and should not be made. > > from one single Wikidata article. Two Wikidata pages cannot claim the > same > > Wikipedia article in a single language as their defining article. > > here you speak of defining article, where currently it is a set of > more or less roughly related wikipedia pages in different languages. > > Our assumption is that in general if one Wikipedia page is identifying a topic, the ones connected through interwiki links are identifying the same topic. The rules for interwiki links in the German Wikipedia mandate that [1], the ones in the English are only little bit less strict about that [2]. For the few exceptions where that is not the case, interwiki links can be set and overwritten locally. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Internationalisierung [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links > > late in the night, like for you as well... > > Greogr > -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Eisenacher Straße 2 | 10777 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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