At this step queries are planned https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan I guess placeholder articles are lower in Lydia's list, this seems only a preliminar steps.
So it's not stupid to assume they will be ready. I read your blog a long time, including your posts about reasonator. I'm on this project for as long as you, I hope you know that. I just don't see your point, nor a clear answer. And I don't want to guess. 2014-12-30 15:59 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > Until Wikidata provides query functionality, any arguments about it are > without much merit. Until that time WDQ provides functionality. That > functionality can be implemented in new functionality when it arrives. > > As to the question if I know Reasonator ... Read my blog ... [1] > Thanks, > GerardM > > [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com > > On 30 December 2014 at 14:08, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> > Do you speak for the community ?? >> >> Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else. >> >> > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? >> >> I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool and >> I'm probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. Do >> you have a useful answer to your own question ? >> >> One point is that Reasonator uses Wikidata query, who, last time I >> checked, was not planned to be integrated into Wikibase. Wikibase will have >> its own query engine. It would be a giant software architecture mess if the >> core mediawiki/wikibase depends on external query engine. >> >> >> 2014-12-30 13:48 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hoi, >>> One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is >>> usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like >>> templates do not make sense. >>> >>> Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be >>> achieved with templating. When a person has relatives, for instance it will >>> show. When something is in a particular location, it will show the >>> hierarchy. when there is a geo coordinate, it shows a map, >>> >>> Now citing "political reasons" begs the question since when our >>> community decides NOT to implement things that are so manifestly in line >>> what our mission. >>> >>> When you consider in build queries... That is what Reasonator offers for >>> a long long time. >>> >>> Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? Do you speak for the >>> community ?? >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard < >>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to >>>> an integrated solution : >>>> * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for >>>> example a very important one : templates, that are already used an that a >>>> lot of wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template articles. I >>>> don't know if reasonator atm had a lot of contributions. It needs a github >>>> or something account and Javascript knowledge. >>>> * community is reluctant to use not in wiki tools for such needs, it's >>>> politically hard to push Reasonator integration into Wikidata fundamental >>>> templates, I can tell. >>>> * A solution based on prebuilt queries to select the appropriate >>>> template seems not so hard to implement only with Wikibase concepts, and >>>> deeply integrated to the mediawiki ecosystem, integrate Reasonator will >>>> probably eventually not result into such result. >>>> >>>> And yes, Reasonator is usable right now. So it's cool that this feature >>>> is not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own path. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the >>>>> past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be >>>>> overcome now and for now? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG >>>>>> time. It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value >>>>>> of this need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us >>>>>> achieving our goal.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The knowledge >>>>>> in >>>>>> Wikidata is available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik <mlazo...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Reasonator works now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not >>>>>>> just including it there. >>>>>>> The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations, >>>>>>> especially >>>>>>> with 3rd party libraries. Bootstrap is a no-go. There are code >>>>>>> conventions, performance >>>>>>> and compatibility issues (mediawiki has to support IE 8) and >>>>>>> internationalisation. And >>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe some of these things are already there, but still the review >>>>>>> would have to be >>>>>>> done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michał >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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