Hoi, It is a Wiktionary thing .... :( and yes we can and yes we should already do this/ Thanks, GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 10:43, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Once IPA is there it may be easier to provide Text-to-speech automatically. > > 2015-05-02 16:57 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com>: > >> I'll all with you, on this, unfortunately only a few people reads IPA >> currently :(. I don't, for example. >> >> 2015-05-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hoi, >>> When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, >>> IPA is in order not a text in another script. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* <benestar.wikime...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however >>>> are multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the >>>> name is said. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Bene >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the >>>>> name. >>>>> >>>>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target >>>>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method >>>>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say >>>>> orally >>>>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the >>>>> official name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the >>>>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a >>>>>>> qualifier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other. >>>>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not >>>>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard < >>>>>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name >>>>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course >>>>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special >>>>>>>>> treatment >>>>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for >>>>>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example : >>>>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns >>>>>>>>>> * English labels for people >>>>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" < >>>>>>>>>> leon.liese...@wikipedia.de> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for >>>>>>>>>>> language-independent >>>>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are >>>>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense >>>>>>>>>>> really. If >>>>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you >>>>>>>>>>> get is >>>>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin >>>>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian >>>>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>>>> language, if at all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>> > Hoi, >>>>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin> >>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is >>>>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission. >>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> > GerardM >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter < >>>>>>>>>>> pute...@mccme.ru> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi >>>>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any >>>>>>>>>>> WIkipedia >>>>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is >>>>>>>>>>> not for the >>>>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of >>>>>>>>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT >>>>>>>>>>> writes about a >>>>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the >>>>>>>>>>> English Wikipedia >>>>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO >>>>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why >>>>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing >>>> listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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