I'll all with you, on this, unfortunately only a few people reads IPA currently :(. I don't, for example.
2015-05-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, IPA > is in order not a text in another script. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* <benestar.wikime...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however are >> multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the name >> is said. >> >> Best regards >> Bene >> >> >> Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: >> >> Hoi, >> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name. >>> >>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target >>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method >>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally >>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the >>> official name. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the >>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a >>>>> qualifier. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other. >>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not >>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard < >>>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name >>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course >>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special >>>>>>> treatment >>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for >>>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items for >>>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example : >>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns >>>>>>>> * English labels for people >>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums >>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <leon.liese...@wikipedia.de> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for >>>>>>>>> language-independent >>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are >>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you >>>>>>>>> get is >>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin >>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian >>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>> language, if at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> > Hoi, >>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin> >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is >>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission. >>>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>>> > GerardM >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi >>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any >>>>>>>>> WIkipedia >>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is not >>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of English. >>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT writes >>>>>>>>> about a >>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia >>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO >>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why >>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing >> listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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