the wikimania site is not a reliable source reflecting on what happened. The published proceedings of Wikimania would be an RS.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:00 Gerard Meijssen, <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi > Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What was > done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. There is a > policy about that and as a policy it failed miserably. The admins failed to > take the existing policy seriously and consequently the notions of > community are devalued. Why should this be any different for BLP and why > would we expect the arbitrary execution to be any different? > > When people are notable because of their relation to other items, we > create items for them. Why should we have an exception for this. What has > not happened is that people were "outed". When an author of a talk was only > know by a nick, it was the nick that was used. Meta is a source, the > Wikimania website is a source so yes, there are credible sources. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 31 July 2016 at 15:44, <jay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I looked quickly at AN and it seems the issue is about creating items >> about Wikimedians who dont clearly meet the notability criteria. >> Recreating items about users after they haved objected, is dangerous ground >> to be walking on >> >> Wikidata needs an accepted and enforced BLP. >> >> I assume these items in question would fail the proposed BLP due to lack >> of reliable source, if it was anything like reliable sources is defined on >> Wikipedia. >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Living_people >> >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:47 Gerard Meijssen, <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> John it was documented on the Administrators noticeboard. The >>> "discussion" ran for over two weeks. I feel no need to identify the admin, >>> he is typically the kind of person I greatly admire. If anything I object >>> to the way admins do not take responsibility for what happens. If anything >>> the way this whole controversy transpired proves how little of a community >>> we are. >>> >>> I have started and added a few items. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 31 July 2016 at 14:28, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Which items, which admin, etc. >>>> >>>> A little context would help. >>>> >>>> If the items were appropriate, wait for the community to agree with you >>>> before recreating them. >>>> >>>> On 31 Jul 2016 17:50, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hoi. >>>>> Many items were created for Wikimania talks. They were created because >>>>> Wikimania talks represent the best practices of the Wikimedia projects. >>>>> All >>>>> these talks were selected in a process to bring out the best our movement >>>>> has to offer in the many years Wikimania was held. All the persons who >>>>> gave >>>>> these presentation are known by either their nick or their name as they >>>>> themselves identified them at the time of offering the presentation for >>>>> consideration/ >>>>> >>>>> For whatever reasons a Wikidata admin removed these items without any >>>>> discussion. In the discussion that followed other people presented the >>>>> arguments why there are no valid arguments for this deletion. A request >>>>> was >>>>> made repeatedly to undelete the items involved. >>>>> >>>>> Given the current state of affair there is little option but to >>>>> recreate these items. It must be noted that the current situation is >>>>> problematic on many levels. Among them it became clear that admins do as >>>>> they wish and are not held accountable for their actions. The only thing >>>>> asked is for the undeletion of items and some sober thought on what may be >>>>> expected of a Wikidata admin. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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