Hoi,
Really? It is a source for the talks that were given. It contains the
papers that were the basis for granting a spot on the program.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 31 July 2016 at 16:11, <jay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the wikimania site is not a reliable source reflecting on what happened.
> The published proceedings of Wikimania would be an RS.
>
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:00 Gerard Meijssen, <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hoi
>> Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What was
>> done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. There is a
>> policy about that and as a policy it failed miserably. The admins failed to
>> take the existing policy seriously and consequently the notions of
>> community are devalued. Why should this be any different for BLP and why
>> would we expect the arbitrary execution to be any different?
>>
>> When people are notable because of their relation to other items, we
>> create items for them. Why should we have an exception for this. What has
>> not happened is that people were "outed". When an author of a talk was only
>> know by a nick, it was the nick that was used. Meta is a source, the
>> Wikimania website is a source so yes, there are credible sources.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 31 July 2016 at 15:44, <jay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked quickly at AN and it seems the issue is about creating items
>>> about Wikimedians who dont clearly meet the notability criteria.
>>> Recreating items about users after they haved objected, is dangerous ground
>>> to be walking on
>>>
>>> Wikidata needs an accepted and enforced BLP.
>>>
>>> I assume these items in question would fail the proposed BLP due to lack
>>> of reliable source, if it was anything like reliable sources is defined on
>>> Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Living_people
>>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:47 Gerard Meijssen, <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> John it was documented on the Administrators noticeboard. The
>>>> "discussion" ran for over two weeks. I feel no need to identify the admin,
>>>> he is typically the kind of person I greatly admire. If anything I object
>>>> to the way admins do not take responsibility for what happens. If anything
>>>> the way this whole controversy transpired proves how little of a community
>>>> we are.
>>>>
>>>> I have started and added a few items.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 31 July 2016 at 14:28, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which items, which admin, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> A little context would help.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the items were appropriate, wait for the community to agree with
>>>>> you before recreating them.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31 Jul 2016 17:50, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi.
>>>>>> Many items were created for Wikimania talks. They were created
>>>>>> because Wikimania talks represent the best practices of the Wikimedia
>>>>>> projects. All these talks were selected in a process to bring out the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> our movement has to offer in the many years Wikimania was held. All the
>>>>>> persons who gave these presentation are known by either their nick or
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> name as they themselves identified them at the time of offering the
>>>>>> presentation for consideration/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For whatever reasons a Wikidata admin removed these items without any
>>>>>> discussion. In the discussion that followed other people presented the
>>>>>> arguments why there are no valid arguments for this deletion. A request
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> made repeatedly to undelete the items involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the current state of affair there is little option but to
>>>>>> recreate these items. It must be noted that the current situation is
>>>>>> problematic on many levels. Among them it became clear that admins do as
>>>>>> they wish and are not held accountable for their actions. The only thing
>>>>>> asked is for the undeletion of items and some sober thought on what may
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> expected of a Wikidata admin.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
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