That was a fresh and accessible read thanks Peter. I especially liked and found interesting the 5 suggested areas of development research. There was a sudden jump in the level of detail, but I hung in there.
BTW, have you heard of this thing called the Delphi Technique<http://www.illinoisloop.org/delphi_battey.html> ? On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Holly Poop! > > This is a thread that is really getting to the nut of the issue. And > an issue that has me thinking, well to be honest, I've always found > myself an anarchist and my trust of western philosophies "imposed" on > others has often got my goat. You know, what right do we have to think > we have it right... So many initiatives started in good faith gone > awry. Look at development efforts over the last 40 years... Can we > actually say they have done more good than disruption? We will never > know cause they were (in general) imposed... enough ranting... For > those so inclined, I believe we can do an incredible amount of > development work from home; > http://www.gg.rhul.ac.uk/ict4d/Research%20at%20home.pdf > And I also believe that work done from your home community provides an > arms length where the "recipients" have greater choice in what they > "consume". Working from home also lessens your environmental impact... > > I honestly believe we need diversity. I do not believe in centralized > control. We need a platform that encourages diversity, not singularity > negotiated. We do not need one place or one piece of OER to fill a > common need. We need the ability to subclass, reuse, alter, and create > multiple versions of OER. Localized yet reference the source... This > would provide diversity and celebrate similarities. I look forward to > the day where we can have multiple versions of the same OER, > localized. > > All this said, any work we do toward the goal of CC-BY-SA OER is good > work... > > Sincerely. > > On Oct 29, 10:51 pm, "Chris Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Names stand for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > > > "constructivism" and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. > > > > This is wrong, in an encyclopedia or dictionary this may be true. > > > > Warm regards > > Chris Harvey > > chris.superuser.com.au > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > > Great insight Maria! You are more than close I think. A thing that has > > > troubled me very much about the WIkieducator project is this one-ness. > We > > > all encourage each other to identify as Wikieductors (up until this > thread), > > > and the Wikipedia article gave me clarity on this concern. Some of us > use > > > words like, "Wikieducator family", and "Wikieducator community" and > this > > > spreads a feeling of commitment to the collective and one-ness. Stephen > > > Downes' talk about the differences between groups and networks is the > best > > > yet articulation of this problem. > > > > > Your observtion about wikis is very close to my sense too Maria, but I > can > > > think of one very (the most) successful open education resource wiki > that is > > > not - Wikispaces. Wikispaces is first and foremost about the many > different > > > spaces on the platform. The Wikispace platform and business takes a > very > > > back seat in it all, and in the early stages the owners went out of > their > > > way to promote the projects on Wikispaces more than the Wikispace > platform > > > itself. Today, it is clear to see (in comparison to Wikieducator and > > > Wikipedia) that Wikispaces is all about the projects on the platform. > > > > > To some extent I think Wikiversity is successfully doing this, but > there is > > > plenty of evidence to centrally control the project, and have users > adopt > > > group identity and a sense of one-ness. > > > > > Where this gets most unsettling for me is when that sense of one-ness > is > > > then represented by a single person, or celebrity. In the case of > Wikipedia, > > > it is of course Jim Wales. > > > > > Alex, regarding globalisation. The roots of this is in the very > inception > > > of the Commonwealth. Today it is through the free marketeering speer > headed > > > by the USA, but echoed in the "West". Some wonder just how much bodies > like > > > the UN and perhaps COL, inadvertently represent that globalised view. > > > > > This might be seen as a new form of colonisation, a concept that the > > > Commonwealth again knows all about. The new form of colonisation is no > > > different. Its culltural, its educational, its delivered through media > and > > > peak bodies, and relies on a sense of one-ness > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Maria Droujkova <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > >> Some entities involved in this conversation are new to me. From this > > >> extreme newbie perspective, this conversation seems to be about > "voting for > > >> the best, the most logical, the most streamlined" vs. having many > different > > >> sorts, kinds and flavors of... curricula, connections, models, > theories. Am > > >> I close? > > > > >> Ever since wiki was invented, I've been wondering about this question, > > >> though, even if it only relates to this conversation through a > tangent. So I > > >> am going to formulate it again. Wiki uses a "single idea, single > space" > > >> metaphor, hardcoded by allowing one single page by each name. Names > stand > > >> for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > "constructivism" > > >> and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. This calls up all > territorial > > >> mechanisms of controlling this seemingly limited "land" - and do these > > >> necessarily lead to wars? As Leigh said resignedly, in this thread, > "Off to > > >> start an edit war in Wikipedia." > > > > >> In general, human groups need a healthy balance between convergence > and > > >> divergence of ideas. It looks like wikis tend to promote convergence > (either > > >> synergy-style, or survival-of-the-fittest style) rather than > collections of > > >> multitudes of ideas. So, would wiki ed projects attract people who > work in > > >> "the bestest single curriculum" direction? > > > > >> -- > > >> Cheers, > > >> MariaD > > > > >> I write, 'In the beginning was the Deed!' - Goethe, Faust > > > > >> naturalmath.com: a sketch of a social math site > > >> groups.google.com/group/naturalmath: a mailing list about math maker > > >> activities > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > Leigh Blackall > > >+64(0)21736539 > > > skype - leigh_blackall > > > SL - Leroy Goalpost > > >http://learnonline.wordpress.com > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall > > > -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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