With all due respect, no more of my time will be spent on this forum whatsoever.
I'm not at all comfortable with the direction that this thread has taken. If my asking earnest questions makes anyone feel "unsafe" and leads to requests to block me (yes, both things were mentioned/requested and can be found in the archives of this thread), then all the advice people have been offering me here is spot-on: I *can* find much more productive things to do with my time. Everyone has my email if anyone would like to reach out personally. I'm still interested in meeting anyone working to build the sound library on Commons. Best! ,Wil On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:56 AM, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote: > Hi Wil, > > I think the advice in this thread from John and Dariusz is excellent, and > well worth taking on board. > > Energy is good, and disruption to shake us out of our status quo is good. > But at the moment, your communication style is swamping this list and > that's getting people's backs up. The issues that you are raising, like > child protection, are important issues that need to be discussed, but > they're not going to get the attention they deserve if you come rampaging > in like a bull trying to solve all of our problems at once. > > I'm sorry if this sounds blunt, but I'd much rather see your time here be > spent positively and productively, rather than wasted with bickering and > recrimination. > > Cheers, > Craig > > > On 29 May 2014 17:19, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: > >> hi Wil, >> >> reading through this thread is already a challenge :) I want to write that >> I really appreciate your enthusiasm and energy. It is really awesome that >> you care about Wikimedia and that you do not shy away from a discussion. >> >> As several participants have pointed out, some of the veterans may find it >> slightly amusing when a newcomer starts with a critique, before learning >> about how (and that) the community has worked out a given problem before. >> Moreover, getting your understanding of Wikimedia movement from >> Wikipediocracy mainly (rather than from different project's Village Pumps, >> AfDs, RFCs, RfAs, and actual editing and discussing with other editors) >> skews your view. I don't think anyone is suggesting you should stop reading >> critical views on Wikimedia, but you simply may choose to make your own >> opinion after you've taken part in the movement, too. >> >> I do not think anyone is proposing banning you from the list. People are, >> in my view, politely suggesting that you just slow down a little, take a >> breath, and use your energy (which, again, is awesome and precious!) to >> participate on Wikimedia projects. Just to get the feel of it, or to be >> able to more fully pinpoint the areas, where we so deeply need to change >> for the better (and, with no irony, there are many). >> >> If you choose to gather more material for reflection, and post less >> frequently, your voice may actually be heard better. >> >> best, >> >> dariusz "pundit" >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: >> >> > As I mentioned to Sam, I have just one more thing to say here before I >> > let you guys deliberate on whether to block me. >> > >> > I've been getting tons of private emails from people who say that they >> > don't want to see me blocked, but that they are afraid to say that on >> > the list, because they feel like they might be intimidated or >> > ostracized. >> > >> > That's right: *afraid* >> > >> > I think we should all let that sink in for a moment. . . >> > >> > >> > >> > . . . Now, is that OK? Is that how we want our community to function? >> > I'm talking to each and every one of you out there, not the few dozen >> > that seem to be only people posting here (and I seem to have a strong >> > lead at the moment ;) ). If you are tired of being afraid or worn out >> > by the rough and tumble discourse here, then keep your chin up. There >> > are a lot more of you out there than you might think; I'm hearing from >> > many of them now. Wikipedia can change- but only with your help. >> > >> > ,Wil >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > Hello all, >> > > >> > > Lila: Thank you kindly for these recent notes. It is wonderful to >> > > hear your thoughts on your first weeks. >> > > >> > > Wil: Working through public, logged forums is a fine principle; one >> > > that I try to follow myself. It helps avoid misunderstandings. >> > > >> > > >> > > Pete Forsyth writes: >> > >> I'd like to suggest that Wil's access to this email list be blocked, >> at >> > >> least as a temporary measure... I suspect that consensus among >> > >> active Wikimedians would be pretty strong at this point. >> > > >> > > Pete: That is a wholly uncalled for suggestion; reckless, if you >> > > would. Please be kind. As you can see from the comments of others, >> > > there is no such consensus, mainly just requests to slow down. >> > > >> > > >> > > Erik Moeller writes: >> > >> As a reminder, this list has an official "soft limit" of 30 posts per >> > [month] >> > > >> > > Wil Sinclair writes: >> > >> just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to those >> > >> who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words >> > > >> > > I find it helpful to quote and briefly respond to many posts of >> > > interest in a thread, in a single reply (as I did here). And I try to >> > > make 5 edits to a project for every post, to keep a balanced >> > > perspective... >> > > >> > > Sam >> > > >> > > (PS: Victor, the A. Dewey Wikireader Project always makes me smile. >> > > Thank you for mentioning it here. :-) >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > < >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> __________________________ >> dr hab. 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