Regarding the news from Chile, the QZ article is pretty misleading regarding the decision taken by the Subtel. I've been talking with some people that have been more involved in net neutrality discussions in Chile and they say that the decision doesn't forbid zero-rated programs in general. It just says that the current promotions were illegal, considering certain social networks got preferential access (namely, Twitter, Facebook and WhatsApp) over other services, breaking net neutrality and free market rules. The decree says specifically that arbitrary discrimination between services of "similar nature" is forbidden.
Technically, Wikipedia Zero can still be applied in Chile (if mobile providers agree), but there shouldn't be a preferential treatment compared to those platform "of similar nature". Certainly, it would be interesting to know what might be considered as the competition of Wikipedia and the rest of the market (is there a competing website? can we consider all educational resources as competition?). As far as I know, there were some internet pre-paid plans in the past that had several educational websites available for free, including Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if they are still available. The full decree (in Spanish) is available here: http://www.subtel.gob.cl/transparencia/Perfiles/Transparencia20285/Normativas/Oficios/14oc_0040.pdf 2014-06-01 3:57 GMT-04:00 Yana Welinder <ywelin...@wikimedia.org>: > As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is > very unfortunate.[1] It's an example of when net neutrality — which is an > important principle for the free and open internet — is poorly implemented > to prevent free dissemination of knowledge. Although Wikipedia Zero is not > yet available in Chile, it is a country of interest for the program, so we > are thinking about what options are available in light of this decision. > > That said, I would like to clarify a couple of points about the > implementation of Wikipedia Zero that were raised in this thread: > > 1. The newer Wikipedia Zero partnerships have provided the full Wikipedia > sites (m.wikipedia) free of data charges for some time now and we are > phasing out the reduced version (zero.wikipedia) from the older > partnerships. > > 2. While earlier Wikipedia Zero partnerships only zero-rated Wikipedia, we > are working on getting carriers to zero-rate all the Wikimedia projects. > > 3. We are also working on getting editing functions zero-rated, though > there are some technical hurdles for that right now. But, eventually, > Wikipedia Zero will not only make knowledge more accessible, but also > empower more people in the Global South to contribute to the projects. > > 4. Finally, WMF does *not* pay carriers to zero-rate Wikipedia under > Wikipedia Zero. Carriers zero-rate the sites because they want to make a > commitment to access to knowledge as a corporate social responsibility.[2] > I believe this question has already been answered in this thread since > Scott raised it earlier, but I just wanted to confirm that Wikipedia Zero > does not involve payments. > > Hope this is helpful! > > Best, > Yana > > [1] > > http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/ > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility > > -- > Yana Welinder > Legal Counsel > Wikimedia Foundation > 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 > @yanatweets <https://twitter.com/yanatweets> > > NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical > reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community > members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more > on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer>. > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > News from Chile > > > > Chile’s Subsecretaria de Telecomunicaciones just decided that zero-rating > > is a promotion tool which is against net neutrality. Therefore all > > zero-rated-related marketing deals have to stop at the 1st of June. > > According to a WMF-list in Chile no provider has been offering Wikipedia > > Zero. Also I'm not sure if this dismissal reflects only on zero-rated > > offers where payment of money is done by the content provider. So it > still > > needs to be checked how/if this decision is influencing our intent to > > spread Wikipedia Zero. > > > > All in all it shows that we have to improve our arguments in a broader > > scale if we don't want to get caught by promoting Free Knowledge" but in > > fact 'only' pushing the use of a reduced version of one (very well known > > and superb) website which stand exemplary for this idea. We are caught > in a > > dilemma which imho only can be solved when reaching out to more partners > > which stand for Free Knowledge and Free Education. Not sure how this > could > > work, but fortunately that never was a reason to stop. > > > > News from Chile: > > > > > > > http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/ > > > > > > > http://www.subtel.gob.cl/noticias/138-neutralidad-red/5311-ley-de-neutralidad-y-redes-sociales-gratis?_ga=1.143290485.1915805894.1400742323 > > > > Overview Wikipedia Zero: > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships > > > > > > > > 2014-05-30 6:59 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com>: > > > > > participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does > > > not allow free participation. write emails, search for references, > > > download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university > > > stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population, > > > produced 50%+ of wikipedias geotagged contents [1]. > > > > > > imo it is not necessary to terminate wikipedia zero, it "just" needs > > > to be negotiated differently: if a telco wants to support our case, > > > give every person 200mb free internet access. unrestricted. or, if we > > > need to break some law like now or be in the grey area, we could > > > support additionally a viral model, like: if somebody is a wikipedia > > > contributor (as defined in election criteria, or like in ghana, 3 > > > edits per week), give them 2 GB free internet traffic for free, > > > unrestricted. > > > > > > if the WMF legal department would be able to negotiate _this_ e.g. in > > > nigeria or india, i would have _big_ respect for them, and with > > > pleasure say in future: you guys are worth every cent of the 5 million > > > we pay you a year. > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/?page=the-geographically-uneven-coverage-of-wikipedia > > > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de> > > > wrote: > > > > "Giving access to educational resources" isn't the same statement as > > > > "zero-rating wikipedia" - If the mobile providers are willing to give > > > more > > > > open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access to the > > > people > > > > THEN you can say "giving access to educational ressources for free" - > > > right > > > > now it 'only' means "giving free access to wikipedia" (which is great > > and > > > > awesome for the wikipedia and the people). > > > > > > > > Let's not be naive on the point that mobile providers have different > > > > motivations for zero-rating services as the movement has for fighting > > for > > > > free knowledge around the globe. > > > > > > > > In the beginning it was mainly zero.wikipedia (text-only), now more > and > > > > more providers giving access to m.wikipedia (some-pictures), but > where > > > are > > > > their restrictions and what will these restrictions mean for further > > > > development on free knowledge and free education? - And above that > what > > > > will be our argument when other free knowledge/free education > > > organisations > > > > don't get zero-rated? When it becomes clear that the marketing scoop > of > > > > giving "free wikipedia" wasn't at all meant as the start of giving > free > > > > access to free knowledge around the world? > > > > > > > > I'm all in to make all open knowledge and all open educational > > ressources > > > > zero-rated available around the globe - but I'm also quite sure that > > this > > > > is not the deal the mobile providers are looking forward to. I prefer > > to > > > > stay critical and not giving up an important principle like net > > > neutrality > > > > just because some mobile providers made a nice marketing deal with us > > > which > > > > seemed to serve our own goals in short-term, but isn't reflected > enough > > > on > > > > its deeper implications on a free web and its liberated use. > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > Jens Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-05-29 23:31 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org>: > > > > > > > >> On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote: > > > >> > A noble cause > > > >> > doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle > > > unproblematic. > > > >> > > > >> In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the > obviously > > > >> perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to > > > >> educational resources for free to the world's least economically > > > >> fortunate people "a bad thing", then the definition is obviously > > broken. > > > >> > > > >> > It could be the time to start talking > > > >> > globally about an in-the-future exit strategy on the surely noble > > > >> > initiative e.g. when certain milestones are reached in > participating > > > >> > countries/regions. > > > >> > > > >> So you're telling me that there is a point where we can say "Oh, you > > > >> can't afford access? Too bad." and it's not a bad thing because > some > > > >> /other/ metric has been reached? > > > >> > > > >> -- Marc > > > > -- > > > > Jens Best > > > > Präsidium > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > > > > web: http://www.wikimedia.de > > > > mail: jens.best <http://goog_17221883>@wikimedia.de > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Jens Best > > Präsidium > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > > web: http://www.wikimedia.de > > mail: jens.best <http://goog_17221883>@wikimedia.de > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts > > Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. 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