Yes I assumed as much - in Catholic circles you often see the word "confraternity" which may include women, and I understand there are a few "Co-ed fraternities" these days, but yes I totally agree that translation remains a tricky thing. I had to chuckle because I am knee-deep in preparation for the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon and barriers to entry in the 19th-century were male-only art fraternities or "brotherhoods" like the Pre-Raphaelites in the UK
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > I deeply apologize. It is not easy with wordings when you are non native > English. I meant to use a word meaning "member of an order" if now Order > means the same in English as in Swedish. Or member in a collective group > which share some common insights/experiences. > > Of the 45 I mention 6 are female (13%) (yes of course we know each other > so well). And of course these are just as active, respected etc as the men > > Anders > > > > Jane Darnell skrev den 2015-03-05 15:54: > >> Anders, >> Very ironic to read the word "fraternity" here when we are in the middle >> of >> the whole "Inspire campaign" launch, but I assume there are women in that >> group and they are just "lost in translation"? >> Jane >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Anders Wennersten < >> m...@anderswennersten.se> >> wrote: >> >> Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being >>> a >>> small project. >>> >>> You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would say >>> we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other rather >>> well. >>> It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, but probably for >>> the 215 you mention >>> >>> The fraternity thinking has now for us also been extended into that no >>> block for more then a few hours (for cooling off) is allowed for sysops >>> to set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be blocked >>> longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin >>> harassment >>> allowed when you have come into this level of seniority. (and what the >>> use >>> of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the same or another nick) >>> >>> Anders >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59: >>> >>> On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that >>>> editors with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them >>>> away. >>>> >>>> But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor >>>> accounts that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to >>>> commit you to the site. >>>> >>>> The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some >>>> are still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active >>>> definition on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last >>>> 30 >>>> days. >>>> >>>> Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and >>>> 7 >>>> have anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though >>>> they >>>> may be active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around. >>>> Possibly more when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 >>>> has >>>> closed that account and now edits from another one. >>>> >>>> Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are >>>> still active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a >>>> few >>>> still edit. >>>> >>>> Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual. >>>> The vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago >>>> and it takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have >>>> fewer editors with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at >>>> current rates that will change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing >>>> more >>>> editors do their 100,000th edit than become admins. I suspect one of >>>> our >>>> problems is that we have fewer ways for newish editors to feel they have >>>> become an established member of the community. To some extent GLAM, the >>>> chapters and the education program do this, and of course the good and >>>> Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be surprised that fewer >>>> people >>>> are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as that is the stage in >>>> their wiki career where they are likely to think that they will never >>>> become a full member of the community. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2015, at 19:19, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >>>>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia (Anders Wennersten) >>>>> 3. Re: Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia (Gerard Meijssen) >>>>> 5. Re: Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia (Ricordisamoa) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:44:30 +0100 >>>>> From: Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> >>>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia >>>>> Message-ID: <54f7366e.6090...@anderswennersten.se> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made >>>>> more then 38000 edits. >>>>> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has left (in 2009) making >>>>> 97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only >>>>> about >>>>> 6 out of 10 is still active. >>>>> >>>>> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you >>>>> are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:05:42 +0100 >>>>> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <CAO53wxX_cbDv7XEMQkV=nWNhr9nk+Y7-f=FJ-ovZy2W- >>>>> k7q...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> I hope not.. If it were I am a basket case. Hmmm not Wikipedia ... does >>>>> Wikidata count ? What number of edits would be sufficient ?? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 4 March 2015 at 17:44, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each >>>>> made >>>>> >>>>>> more then 38000 edits. >>>>>> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has left (in 2009) making >>>>>> 97,7 >>>>>> still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about 6 >>>>>> out >>>>>> of 10 is still active. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you >>>>>> are >>>>>> fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anders >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:19:24 +0100 >>>>> From: Ricordisamoa <ricordisa...@openmailbox.org> >>>>> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia >>>>> Message-ID: <54f73e9c.2000...@openmailbox.org> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Il 04/03/2015 17:44, Anders Wennersten ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each >>>>>> made more then 38000 edits. >>>>>> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has left (in 2009) making >>>>>> 97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only >>>>>> about 6 out of 10 is still active. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you >>>>>> are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anders >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just exceeded 38000 global edits >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Ricordisamoa>. >>>>> I'm >>>>> done for! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
