If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist. As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT tools to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the service of the overall communities.
Regards On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an encyclopaedia. > > The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is > edited. > > You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the final > analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information. > Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is possible > to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and cache > the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring > missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of > articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is EXACTLY > the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers > > https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers > > > > An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an > > encyclopedia? > > > > Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In this > case > > these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one of > its > > pilaster. > > > > In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a demonstration > > that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if it is placed in the > > first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search > > engines. > > > > But an impact is something that produces "effects" and "dissemination". I > > don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page > view) > > and nothing else. > > > > If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of evaluations > must > > change. > > > > It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a > > "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in quality and > > will generate more and more effects. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > How do you know that there is no impact ? > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm > shows > > > clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The same > > is > > > true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number of > > > speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact ! > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact without a > > > "real" > > > > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A <salvador1...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are inside > > the > > > > list > > > > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened > > during > > > > > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a > little > > > > > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a thread > > > > > announcing this? > > > > > > > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed it.wiki > > and > > > > > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot > work.[2] > > > > > Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias > > > > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Salvador Alcántar* > > > > > *@salvador_alc* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ilario Valdelli > > > > Wikimedia CH > > > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > > > Skype: valdelli > > > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > > > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ilario Valdelli > > Wikimedia CH > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > Skype: valdelli > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> Skype: valdelli Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469> Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
