Yes, and in this case I am saying that the bot populated Wikipedias are "bad" products because qualitatively poor, instead of an architecture of a data population and a creation of articles through Wikidata or through a central repository.
Basically it's for a control of the content. A bot populated article can widespread an error or an outdated information in all web pages if there is not control of the community, instead a central repository like Wikidata facilitates this control. The same concept of Wikipedia is in discussion. It's an encyclopedia, but another encyclopedia (may we can it "botpedia"?). Regards On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > When people do not edit Wikipedia we are talking about a situation that > does not exist. > > I wholeheartedly disagree with you as you mistake the process with the > product. Our aim is to produce a product and we should endeavour to provide > it in a SMART way. We lose out when we do not do the best we can. Our best > is NOT sitting on our hands keeping information that is available to > ourselves for secondary reasons. Yes, we can write articles and yes they > may be better but as long as we do not provide information we do a half > arsed job. A job that is qualitatively and quantitatively inferior. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:42, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist. > > > > As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT > tools > > to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be > > welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the > > integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the > service > > of the overall communities. > > > > Regards > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an > > encyclopaedia. > > > > > > The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is > > > edited. > > > > > > You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the > > final > > > analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information. > > > Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is > possible > > > to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and > cache > > > the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring > > > missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of > > > articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is > > EXACTLY > > > the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers > > > > https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers > > > > > > > > An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an > > > > encyclopedia? > > > > > > > > Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In > this > > > case > > > > these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one > of > > > its > > > > pilaster. > > > > > > > > In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a > demonstration > > > > that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if it is placed in > > the > > > > first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search > > > > engines. > > > > > > > > But an impact is something that produces "effects" and > > "dissemination". I > > > > don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page > > > view) > > > > and nothing else. > > > > > > > > If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of > evaluations > > > must > > > > change. > > > > > > > > It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported > by a > > > > "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in quality > > and > > > > will generate more and more effects. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > How do you know that there is no impact ? > > > > > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm > > > shows > > > > > clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The > > same > > > > is > > > > > true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number > > of > > > > > speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact ! > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact > without a > > > > > "real" > > > > > > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A < > salvador1...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are > > inside > > > > the > > > > > > list > > > > > > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it > happened > > > > during > > > > > > > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a > > > little > > > > > > > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a > > thread > > > > > > > announcing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed > > it.wiki > > > > and > > > > > > > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot > > > work.[2] > > > > > > > Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias > > > > > > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Salvador Alcántar* > > > > > > > *@salvador_alc* > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Ilario Valdelli > > > > > > Wikimedia CH > > > > > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > > > > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > > > > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > > > > > Switzerland - 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