Hoi,
Wikidata like Commons is a project in its own right. Its aim is to
contribute to the aim of the Wikimedia Foundation first and to other
projects second.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 July 2015 at 11:42, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist.
>
> As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT tools
> to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be
> welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the
> integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the service
> of the overall communities.
>
> Regards
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an
> encyclopaedia.
> >
> > The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is
> > edited.
> >
> > You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the
> final
> > analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information.
> > Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is possible
> > to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and cache
> > the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring
> > missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of
> > articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is
> EXACTLY
> > the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers
> > > https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers
> > >
> > > An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an
> > > encyclopedia?
> > >
> > > Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In this
> > case
> > > these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one of
> > its
> > > pilaster.
> > >
> > > In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a demonstration
> > > that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if it is placed in
> the
> > > first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search
> > > engines.
> > >
> > > But an impact is something that produces "effects" and
> "dissemination". I
> > > don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page
> > view)
> > > and nothing else.
> > >
> > > If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of evaluations
> > must
> > > change.
> > >
> > > It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a
> > > "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in quality
> and
> > > will generate more and more effects.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > How do you know that there is no impact ?
> > > >
> > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
> > shows
> > > > clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The
> same
> > > is
> > > > true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number
> of
> > > > speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact !
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > GerardM
> > > >
> > > > On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact without a
> > > > "real"
> > > > > impact.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A <salvador1...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are
> inside
> > > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened
> > > during
> > > > > > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a
> > little
> > > > > > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a
> thread
> > > > > > announcing this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed
> it.wiki
> > > and
> > > > > > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot
> > work.[2]
> > > > > > Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
> > > > > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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