Well the longer this drags on, the more likelihood of us getting a "false" answer ..it takes seconds to speak the truth, but days to connive a lie..so i doubt we will get the 'truth' or atleast the full truth..
On 12/30/15, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote: > Thanks Brad for spotting this and bringing it here, and also to Jimbo for > filling in a few more details. > > Just as an aside, my thinking is that this must have needed to be an > emergency action. Because if the BoT has been mulling this over for > awhile, it would be very poor governance to not have a strategy for how > this would be communicated, and to only have WMF Legal on the case after > the fact. We already see this thread filling up with a bunch of > speculation that is unhelpful and unhealthy, not just for James but also > for the BoT and the movement in general. I trust that there will be an > explanation forthcoming, not only for why James has been removed in this > way, but also for why there was seemingly not any planning for how to deal > with the fallout of that decision. > > Cheers, > Craig > > On 30 December 2015 at 03:47, Newyorkbrad <newyorkb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think it's been mentioned on this list that Jimmy Wales (one >> of the board members) commented about this matter today on his En-WP >> talkpage. Since I assume many people on this list don't follow that >> page, I have copied his comment below: >> >> "Hi everyone. I couldn't possibly agree more that this should have >> been announced with a full and clear and transparent and NPOV >> explanation. Why didn't that happen? Because James chose to post >> about it before we even concluded the meeting and before we had even >> begun to discuss what an announcement should say. WMF legal has asked >> the board to refrain from further comment until they've reviewed what >> can be said - this is analogous in some ways to personnel issues. >> Ideally, you would have heard about this a couple of days from now >> when a mutual statement by James and the board had been agreed. For >> now, please be patient. Accuracy is critically important here, and to >> have 9 board members posting their own first impressions would be more >> likely to give rise to confusions. -- Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:35, 29 >> December 2015 (UTC)" >> >> I'm not endorsing Jimbo's comment -- or the reverse -- as I frankly >> find this whole situation strange and unfortunate. However, it seems >> relevant and I thought people in this discussion might want to be >> aware of it.. >> >> I also agree that the information about the two new board members >> should be circulated promptly. >> >> Newyorkbrad/IBM >> >> On 12/29/15, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote: >> > The removal is not transparent at all. >> > >> > Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words >> > different. >> > >> > Very disappointing. >> > >> >> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 >> >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: >> >> > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself, at >> >> > least >> >> > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to be >> >> > able >> >> > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board of >> >> > Trustees bylaws explicitly allow for removal of a member, with or >> >> > without >> >> > cause. Unlike in older Board resolutions, there's a clear public >> >> > accounting of how each of the Board members voted (as opposed to >> simple >> >> > numeric totals). James posted that he will work with Patricio to >> provide >> >> >> >> like others on this thread i think the WMF bylaws are broken in this >> >> respect. not legally broken, but morally. i'd love to vote for a >> >> trustee, and i'd love to reverse my decision in case a sufficient >> >> party is not happy. if in this case james does not want to have a >> >> public discussion he is free to resign. if the board thinks it cannot >> >> work with james anymore, and is able to remove him without him beeing >> >> ok with it, without public discussion, then i do not find it >> >> transparent. >> >> >> >> best, >> >> rupert >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Cometstyles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
