I am not so ready to throw stones (: Perhaps because I have had one-on-one conversations with a number of people involved in this situation, and I would like to believe that they are all good people.
Reports that are rushed can lead to mistaken conclusions. I'd rather get a comprehensive report than a rushed one. I do expect an explanation, soon, and I expect it will be provided with the kind of integrity and professionalism that I would hope everyone involved in this situation has. Pine On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Comet styles <cometsty...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well the longer this drags on, the more likelihood of us getting a > "false" answer ..it takes seconds to speak the truth, but days to > connive a lie..so i doubt we will get the 'truth' or atleast the full > truth.. > > On 12/30/15, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote: > > Thanks Brad for spotting this and bringing it here, and also to Jimbo for > > filling in a few more details. > > > > Just as an aside, my thinking is that this must have needed to be an > > emergency action. Because if the BoT has been mulling this over for > > awhile, it would be very poor governance to not have a strategy for how > > this would be communicated, and to only have WMF Legal on the case after > > the fact. We already see this thread filling up with a bunch of > > speculation that is unhelpful and unhealthy, not just for James but also > > for the BoT and the movement in general. I trust that there will be an > > explanation forthcoming, not only for why James has been removed in this > > way, but also for why there was seemingly not any planning for how to > deal > > with the fallout of that decision. > > > > Cheers, > > Craig > > > > On 30 December 2015 at 03:47, Newyorkbrad <newyorkb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I don't think it's been mentioned on this list that Jimmy Wales (one > >> of the board members) commented about this matter today on his En-WP > >> talkpage. Since I assume many people on this list don't follow that > >> page, I have copied his comment below: > >> > >> "Hi everyone. I couldn't possibly agree more that this should have > >> been announced with a full and clear and transparent and NPOV > >> explanation. Why didn't that happen? Because James chose to post > >> about it before we even concluded the meeting and before we had even > >> begun to discuss what an announcement should say. WMF legal has asked > >> the board to refrain from further comment until they've reviewed what > >> can be said - this is analogous in some ways to personnel issues. > >> Ideally, you would have heard about this a couple of days from now > >> when a mutual statement by James and the board had been agreed. For > >> now, please be patient. Accuracy is critically important here, and to > >> have 9 board members posting their own first impressions would be more > >> likely to give rise to confusions. -- Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:35, 29 > >> December 2015 (UTC)" > >> > >> I'm not endorsing Jimbo's comment -- or the reverse -- as I frankly > >> find this whole situation strange and unfortunate. However, it seems > >> relevant and I thought people in this discussion might want to be > >> aware of it.. > >> > >> I also agree that the information about the two new board members > >> should be circulated promptly. > >> > >> Newyorkbrad/IBM > >> > >> On 12/29/15, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote: > >> > The removal is not transparent at all. > >> > > >> > Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words > >> > different. > >> > > >> > Very disappointing. > >> > > >> >> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com > >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 > >> >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > >> >> > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself, > at > >> >> > least > >> >> > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to > be > >> >> > able > >> >> > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board of > >> >> > Trustees bylaws explicitly allow for removal of a member, with or > >> >> > without > >> >> > cause. Unlike in older Board resolutions, there's a clear public > >> >> > accounting of how each of the Board members voted (as opposed to > >> simple > >> >> > numeric totals). James posted that he will work with Patricio to > >> provide > >> >> > >> >> like others on this thread i think the WMF bylaws are broken in this > >> >> respect. not legally broken, but morally. i'd love to vote for a > >> >> trustee, and i'd love to reverse my decision in case a sufficient > >> >> party is not happy. if in this case james does not want to have a > >> >> public discussion he is free to resign. if the board thinks it cannot > >> >> work with james anymore, and is able to remove him without him beeing > >> >> ok with it, without public discussion, then i do not find it > >> >> transparent. > >> >> > >> >> best, > >> >> rupert > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > -- > Cometstyles > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
