Hoi,
May I ask on what basis this should be done. Is it not equally relevant to
ask yourself how isolated you are in your position? Is this what we need,
will it do us any good or is it just that you feel that this is what "we"
need ?
It is fine for you to spout what you do. However, I am very much disgusted
with this constant sniping. It is not about what we do and it makes things
worse. I can totally echo you when I say that it has gone long enough.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 16 March 2016 at 13:17, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:13 AM, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:51 AM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:42 PM, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >> Are we still waiting for Jimmy to agree/reject to James' request to
> > >> release an email?
> > >
> > > Yes. Jimmy said on 28 February that he wanted to speak to others about
> > > whether it was okay to release his 30 December 2015 email to James. [1]
> > >
> > > There's also the question of releasing the more recent email he sent to
> > > James and cc-ed to Pete.
> > >
> > > James has said nothing needs to be kept confidential for his sake. [2]
> > >
> > > Sarah
> > >
> > > [1]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-March/083058.html
> > > [2]
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082815.html
> >
> > Jimmy, could you please treat this request with the absolute highest
> > priority. It has gone on too long.
> > If some parts must be redacted because you cant get agreement from
> > other parties, then so be it -- just tell us why (broadly) some part
> > was redacted.
>
>
>
>
> As far as I am aware, we are still waiting for an answer from Jimmy here.
> The same applies to the question Sarah posed here[1] and others repeated
> here.[2]
>
> There is a very understandable sense of fatigue that sets in when things
> drag out like this. Everybody gets tired of the topic after a while. But I
> submit that there is a systemic issue here that has blighted communication
> in this movement for long enough.
>
> Walking away rewards and encourages the strategy that Jimmy has consciously
> or unconsciously applied here: tell people that their questions are
> justified, setting up an expectation that their queries will be looked
> into, and then ignore any further questions. Give people something that
> sounds like a promise, to pacify them, and then hope that everyone forgets.
> We saw this in action when Jimmy said about the Knight Foundation grant, in
> early January,[3]
>
> Quote: "I'll have to talk to others to make sure there are no contractual
> reasons not to do so, but in my opinion the grant letter should be
> published on meta. The Knight Grant is a red herring here, so it would be
> best to clear the air around that completely as soon as possible."
>
> The excuse, having "to talk to others" first (the same excuse as was used
> above), sounded plausible. The community is conditioned to "assume good
> faith", making non-transparency a viable strategy: after all, a "good
> Wikimedian" should assume the best.
>
> Yet today we know that there *were* no contractual reasons to keep this
> information private. The Knight Foundation was all in favour of full
> transparency. The only ones who *didn't* want this information to be
> published were the board and/or ED.
>
> To my mind, this sort of communication strategy is toxic and manipulative.
> Can we please put an end to it?
>
> If Jimmy is not forthcoming on the above by John Vandenberg, I suggest we
> start a public vote of no confidence for him, as we did for Arnnon. It has
> gone on long enough.
>
> Having a WMF transparency officer tasked with tracking and resolving
> queries would help as well, as recently discussed in another thread.[4]
>
> Andreas
>
> [1]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-March/083190.html
> [2]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=710334640#What_James_said_publicly
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=698861097
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transparency/Practices#Transparency_officer
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