Hi Rogol, that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go all the way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further discussions over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item has been a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation of the shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes the Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead?
Cheers, Denny On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Denny > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our high-level > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in Commons > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our product > roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the Structured > Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for a pointer > to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development roadmap, and > in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred to in Wes > Moran's initial post on this topic: > > But I appreciate the speed of your reply. > > "Rogol" > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Rogol, > > > > this was the link previously provided on this project: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview > > including > > links to previous documents. > > > > Cheers, > > Denny > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so > > > this grant is not diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us > > to > > > accelerate the work we were planning to do". Please would you publish, > > or > > > point to, a version of that product roadmap that can inform the > > community's > > > participation in such planning exercises as the 2017 Wikimedia Movement > > > Strategy and other more tactical product planning processes. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lisa Gruwell <lgruw...@wikimedia.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pete and Gerard- > > > > > > > > I just wanted to give my thoughts on restricted gifts. Like most > > things, > > > > there are both good and bad restricted gifts. They can be bad if a > > > funder > > > > is making a well-intentioned gift that none-the-less pulls the > > > organization > > > > in direction that they were not planning to go. Or even worse, when > a > > > > funder pays for something outside of an org's plans that has ongoing > > > > maintenance cost that are not covered in the grant. > > > > > > > > This is why the WMF board reviews all restricted grants per our gift > > > policy > > > > <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Gift_policy>. Those are the > > types > > > > of > > > > dynamics that the board considers when they review a restricted > grant. > > > > > > > > Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so this grant > is > > > not > > > > diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us to accelerate > the > > > > work we were planning to do. In terms of restrictions, we have to > > follow > > > > through with the plan we submitted. In other words, do what we said > we > > > are > > > > going to do. I think that accountability is a good thing. And the > > Sloan > > > > Foundation is a great long-term funder of WMF. If something changes > as > > > the > > > > work progress, I have no doubt we could have a reasonable > conversation > > > with > > > > them about adjusting the plan. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > Maybe restricted but the subject matter is exactly what we want > > anyway. > > > > > Where I have my reservations is that Wikidata will be set in stone > > and > > > > > stuff that just is not right will be with us for forever. With more > > > money > > > > > it does not need to be a huge problem because it makes it more > > > > manageable. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > On 9 January 2017 at 21:52, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Structured data on Commons is a huge and important area -- for > one > > > > thing, > > > > > > the whole Media Viewer project would have gone much more smoothly > > if > > > > > there > > > > > > were underlying structured data to rely on. Kudos to WMF and > Sloan > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > focus on this issue! > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, this is by far the most extravagant > restricted > > > > grant > > > > > > in the history of the WMF. I believe the Stanton Foundation's > > > usability > > > > > > grant ($890k in 2008)[1] and Public Policy Initiative grant ($1.2 > > > > million > > > > > > in 2010)[2] are the only ones that comes close. In the past, WMF > > > board > > > > > > members have expressed great skepticism about -- specifically -- > > the > > > > > Sloan > > > > > > Foundation's influence, when it sought to place an observer in > WMF > > > > board > > > > > > meetings. A former WMF Executive Director has written at length > > about > > > > the > > > > > > dangers of restricted grants. > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears there is a new theory in play around restricted > grants. > > > Will > > > > > > somebody be expressing it publicly? Will the past practice of > > > > publishing > > > > > > the details of the grant expectations be followed?[3] > > > > > > > > > > > > -Pete > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2008/12/03/improved-usability- > > > > > > in-our-future/ > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/May_ > > > > > > 2010_Wikimedia_Foundation_will_engage_academic_experts_ > > > > > > and_students_to_improve_public_policy_information > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_ > > > > > > Initiative_project_details > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wes Moran <wmo...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Wikimedia community, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s our delight to inform you that we received a US$3,015,000 > > > grant > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation > > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation> [1] > > to > > > > > > expedite > > > > > > > development of structured data on Commons. The grant will be > > given > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > course of three years, and will allow us to develop a team, in > > > > > > > collaboration with the Wikidata team at Wikimedia Deutschland, > > that > > > > can > > > > > > > focus on integrating the structured data features of Wikidata > > into > > > > > > > describing the media files on Commons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This work will allow us to expedite features both on the > Wikidata > > > > > > > development roadmap, and in other products supported by the > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > Foundation. The grant also provides funding to ensure that > > movement > > > > > > > stakeholders, like Wiki Loves Monuments and GLAM-Wiki program > > > > leaders, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > external partners who contribute heavily to Commons, such as > > GLAMs, > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > involved in the development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have drafted a high level overview of the grant and its > scope, > > > > > > available > > > > > > > on Commons > > > > > > > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_ > > > > > data/Sloan_Grant> > > > > > > > [2]. A blog post about the grant is also available on the > > Wikimedia > > > > > blog > > > > > > > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation- > > > > > structured-data> > > > > > > > [3]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are currently in the process of identifying the technical > lead > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > project. If you have questions, Alex Stinson, the Foundation’s > > > > > GLAM-Wiki > > > > > > > strategist, will be leading the community engagement and > > > > communications > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the project until we hire a community liaison as part of the > > grant. > > > > > Stay > > > > > > > tuned for more details about the project in the coming months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We’re excited to be able to support this project, and look > > forward > > > to > > > > > > your > > > > > > > participation in its development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes Moran and Maggie Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Wes Moran, Vice President of Product* > > > > > > > *Maggie Dennis, Interim Chief of Community Engagement * > > > > > > > *Wikimedia Foundation* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation > > > > > > > [2] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ > > > > > > Sloan_Grant > > > > > > > [3] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation- > > > > > > structured-data > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
