That's a great news!! Thanks, Nabin Wikimedians of Nepal
On Jan 11, 2017 11:33 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Rupert, > > A Happy New Year to you too. I don't see why my personal motivation for > asking this question would come into it. The request is to publish the > overall product roadmap to the community, for the community to collaborate > with the WMF on planning the future products. That does not sound to me > like any kind of complaint about past actions – why would you assume that? > > In answer to Joseph's posting: this response was about current planning for > the one product, while my request is about medium-to-long term planning for > the whole product range. > > "Rogol" > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:47 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Rogol, a good start into 2017! I have difficulties understanding your > > question, especially why you are asking it now. This topic was discussed > > quite often and for a long time to justify putting money behind talking > at > > least imo. > > > > you are unhappy a restricted grant was received without community > consensus > > on commons to have such a technology included? Or you are unhappy that > WMF > > builds up a Wikidata team when wikimedia Deutschland has already one? You > > are unhappy that WMF cuts the money for WMDE and at the same time > increases > > spending in the same area of technology? Or you are unhappy that there > will > > be another technical lead while at WMDE there is a lot of experience > which > > you consider waste and unnecessary bureaucracy? Or you want to discuss > how > > it will be implemented? Or, to put it in other words, what input would > you > > give or expect if a document like you are requesting would exist? > > > > Best Rupert > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 2017 11:28 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Dear Wes > > > > Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to > say > > that unfortunately that is not what I have been asking for -- I must be > > very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so > > many different mistaken impressions of my request. To me a product > roadmap > > would be a quite high-level view of the new products and major > deveopments > > and their linkages looking out on a time scale significantly in excess > of a > > single year, and at a level of detail significantly less than the > > aggregation of all the teams' quarterly plans. The roadmap would have > the > > level of abstraction, interconnection and timscale that allows you to say > > that a three-year project such as the one you have just announced will > > expedite features on your roadmap and that the grant enabled accelerating > > the already started work on Structured Commons into a quicker three-year > > time frame: so a roadmap on which you can locate a project with a time > > frame that was previously beyond three years let alone one. It is also > > known that there are long-term projects such as parser unification, new > > editors and discussion systems which look out well beyond the current > > year. Are there others -- we do not (yet) know. > > > > So again, my request is that you share this higher-level, longer-term, if > > not completely definitve roadmap with the community in the interests of > > transparency not only as an abstract objective but in order to maximise > > the benefits of early engagement, discussion and co-creation. > > > > Yours > > "Rogol" > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Wes Moran <wmo...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rogol, > > > > > > Thanks for the question. The Annual Plan we follow and share with the > > > community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta [1]. > > We > > > update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages [2] as > they > > > may evolve over the year. We also provide a number of links for the > > > specific teams on our Product page and welcome participation, > discussion > > or > > > connection through those pathways and directly with the feature teams > > [3]. > > > > > > Specifically the Wikidata, Community Tech, Editing and Discovery teams > > have > > > specific objectives and goals in this years annual plan. > > > > > > Hope this answers your question and certainly engage in the ongoing > > > discussion around the work on the Commons page [4]. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wes > > > > > > Wes Moran > > > Vice President of Product > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > > > Annual_Plan/2016-2017/Final#Product > > > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Goals > > > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product > > > [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ > Overview > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors < > > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for these further replies. I assume > > that > > > > the WMF has a clear stable and unified view of where it is taking its > > > > various products and the dependencies, which is what I understand by > > the > > > > phrase product roadmap. "A single document" would be nice, but > > whatever > > > it > > > > is, I am asking for it to be shared with the community. > > > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Denny Vrandečić < > vrande...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Rogol, > > > > > > > > > > that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go > all > > > the > > > > > way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further > > discussions > > > > > over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item > has > > > > been > > > > > a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am > > > > > misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation > of > > > the > > > > > shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia > > > > > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes > > the > > > > > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors < > > > > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our > > > high-level > > > > > > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data > in > > > > > Commons > > > > > > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our > > > > product > > > > > > roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the > > > Structured > > > > > > Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for > a > > > > > pointer > > > > > > to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development > > > roadmap, > > > > > and > > > > > > in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred > > to > > > in > > > > > Wes > > > > > > Moran's initial post on this topic: > > > > > > > > > > > > But I appreciate the speed of your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić < > > > vrande...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rogol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was the link previously provided on this project: > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ > > > Overview > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > links to previous documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
