noting:for give my missing any finer point my German isnt sufficient to read the discussion without the aid of google translate
The question your asking is should the author of the image have the right to enforce the licensing of work they have uploaded. The position you take is that they dont have that right which means you want all media uploaded under an effective Public Domain License. The de.community voted to accept the proposal outcome based on a majority not an absolute 2/3rd majority. When the was discussion closed the proposal was rejected, you have come here to Wikimedia-l to ask for a second Common to be established to exclude work by authors who exercise their right to uphold the license under which the work was provided and ask that this new commons has the right to relicense an authors work under other licenses. As side issue is what looks like an external forum presented one side of the argument while the discussion was on going, your using this as justification for asking here. Commons has a very clear licensing page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing of whats acceptable licensing with media uploaded there. To me what I see here basic forum shopping after the de.community rejected your proposal.... IMHO if you want to change or put limitations on licensing then discussing it on Commons would be a first step. Doing so without a direct proposal to change licensing or delete(exclude) the works of others would enable a wider view and other possible suitable outcomes. I would suggest that when starting the discussion that evidence be presented to support the accusations being made, if the google translators choice of words are accurate then it needs to be well substantiated .... On 2 March 2017 at 13:44, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > on the german wikipedia there was a poll to ban images of users who > send cease and desist letters, triggered by a recent case of thomas > wolf trying to charge 1200 euro out of a tiny non-profit which > improperly reused one of his images [1]. thomas article work includs > "improving text deserts, and changing bad images to (often his own) > better quality images"[2]. there is a broad majority against people > who use cease and desist letters as a business model. anyway a small > number of persons do have such a business model, some of them even > administrators on commons, like alexander savin [3][4]. > > but the topic of course is much more subtle than described above, the > discussion was heated, and the result close - as always in the last 10 > years. a digital divide between persons supporting the original > mindset of wikipedia which sees every additional reuse, unrestricted, > as success, and the ones who think it is not desired to incorrectly > reference, or feel that others should not make money out of their > work. > > as both are viable opinions would it be possible to split commons in > two, for every opinion? the new commons would include safe licenses > like cc-4.0 and users who are friendly to update their licenses to > better ones in future. the old commons would just stay as it is. a > user of wikipedia can easy distinguish if she wants to include both > sources, or only one of them? there is only one goal: make cease and > desist letters as business model not interesting any more, > technically, while keeping the morale of contributors high, both > sides. > > [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/ > keine_Bilder_in_Artikelnamensraum_von_direkt_abmahnenden_Fotografen > [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Der_Wolf_im_Wald > [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:A.Savin > [4] https://tarnkappe.info/ausgesprochen-peinlich-abmahnfalle-wikipedia- > interview-mit-simplicius/ > > best > rupert > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
