I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and depending on your point of view, because of or in spite of their presence there were some really fruitful discussions. I say because of or in spite of their presence since they were in their own "track" at the conference and not in the "strategy track" that I was in, so I am not exactly clear on their contribution other than to arrange local meetups. Yaroslav, if you want I can quickly take you through the documents that impressed me personally the most. I know you are really busy with stuff in real life but you care about future of the art & architecture stuff and things like copyright issues. If you can't make the Utrecht strategy meetup on 15 April then maybe we can do a skype call or arrange a Leiden meetup. https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was in Berlin and participated in the strategy track for the three days. > The process was very open used open space approach such that at the end of > days 1 & 2 all I could say is that its been an interesting and thought > provoking sessions because that was how the process was running. At the > end of day three the information from the first two days helped us to > discuss a number thermatic statements. If anyone came out of those three > days claiming a clear strategy for the next 15 years they'd be lying, the > process has just begun and the best thing everyone can do is get involved > in every step along the way,. It a big task to properly undertake and it > will take considerable time along with lots of good faith. See the > attached photo thats just the notes from one 2 hours session all of which > is being captured and will be reported on shortly. > > WMF, WMDE and the Strategy team worked wonders with this process in Berlin, > the plans ahead to bring in even more input discussions will be amazing > > On 7 April 2017 at 20:14, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per se, > > nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that the > > previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the strategy > > wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and created a > > critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and > > eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the > > discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of them > > are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents). I > > understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their own > > language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns out > > that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not > happening, > > just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In addition, > > since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to discuss > the > > strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not interested > in > > going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that even > > discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect the > > critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means > Track 2 > > Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking forward > > to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there is smth which I do not see > > (though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7 languages, > > would classify myself as a reasonably active Wikimedia participant), but > > this is my current perception. > > > > Cheers > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier < > gpaum...@wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Yaroslav, > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand how including affiliates excludes individual > > > contributors. There are many avenues for people and groups across the > > > movement to participate on wikis, in person, in video conference, in > > > off-wiki online discussions, etc. Anyone is welcome to contribute in > > > multiple tracks (as individual participant, affiliate member, or both) > > > and in multiple channels. > > > > > > There were about 100 participants who attended the whole strategy > > > track at the conference; surely there are more than 100 people across > > > the projects who want to voice their opinion on the future of the > > > movement. > > > > > > Also, the strategy sessions that were held in Berlin only concerned > > > "Cycle 1" of the discussion, which will end soon. That first cycle is > > > very open and exploratory and far from the be-all and end-all of the > > > movement strategy process. I certainly hope that many people > > > contribute to cycles 2 and 3 (where the convergence and prioritization > > > will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin. > > > > > > > > > 2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: > > > > The backside seems to be that those who have been to the conference > > feel > > > no > > > > incentive to participate in the strategy discussions in the projects, > > and > > > > these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on the > > > > English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or do not really interest anybody (at > > the > > > > Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will likely > be > > > > translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which > technically > > > > means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded from > > > > building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and > > thematic > > > > organizations. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern <tanel.p...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference and > > > >> participated in a few of the strategy track sessions, it would have > > been > > > >> basically impossible to provide any more information than the > > conference > > > >> website already provides about what took place at this session > > > beforehand, > > > >> given the extremely open-ended nature of the discussions. Just as > > > outlined > > > >> in the session overview [1], the participants started from basically > > > >> nothing (other than their ideas of what's going to be important in > the > > > next > > > >> 15 years) and ended up formulating a few dozen thematic statements > > > >> regarding the strategic direction of the movement. Frankly, I'm > amazed > > > it > > > >> worked as well as it did. At the same time, I'm not at all amazed > that > > > it > > > >> would take time to digitize the materials, given how many people > > > >> participated in the session and how much paper they consumed :) And > > > though > > > >> it wouldn't be difficult to publish the final thematic statements, > > some > > > of > > > >> them unfortunately don't make sense without some background > materials. > > > >> > > > >> Just my €0.02, > > > >> > > > >> Tanel > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [1] > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_ > > > >> 2017/Program#Movement_Strategy > > > >> > > > >> 2017-04-06 16:42 GMT+03:00 Guillaume Paumier < > gpaum...@wikimedia.org > > >: > > > >> > > > >> > Hello Hajdu, > > > >> > > > > >> > As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from > the > > > >> > Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much > > > >> > documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to > > digitize > > > >> > and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from related > > > >> > discussions, for example: > > > >> > > > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by > > contributors > > > >> > from Wikimedia Commons: > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > >> > movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_ > > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference > > > >> > > > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by the > > Wikimedia > > > >> > Foundation's Board of Trustees: > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > >> movement/2017/Sources/ > > > >> > Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_ > > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference > > > >> > > > > >> > The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be published > > this > > > >> > week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the > sessions, > > > >> > and many participants have shared their work and sessions on > > Commons ( > > > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_ > > Conference_2017 > > > >> > ) and on social media ( > > > >> > https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd ). > > > >> > > > > >> > I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials to > look > > > >> > over until we upload everything else. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán <kal...@startadsl.hu>: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation > > > defining > > > >> > the > > > >> > > future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has > > been > > > >> hold > > > >> > the > > > >> > > Wikimedia Conference 2017 > > > >> > > in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized from > > > >> > > Representatives > > > >> > > for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention the > > > conference > > > >> > > program, but unlike the former practice on the conference page > on > > > the > > > >> > meta > > > >> > > was not e bit information about what happened in this section. > No > > > >> > Ethernet, > > > >> > > no abstract of presentation, nothing. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the > > conference > > > >> out > > > >> > of > > > >> > > the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret > wise. > > My > > > >> > > question this should bee the new Wikimedia strategy? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Texaner > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > >> > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > >> > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > > > unsubscribe> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Guillaume Paumier > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > , > > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > > unsubscribe> > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Guillaume Paumier > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
