I agree the risks involved with having projects including language wikipedias as recognised groups and represented by individuals will expose both them and the WMF to legal obligations. At the moment WMF is at arms length to the contributing communities as are affiliates, that's an important separation that needs to be maintained.
On 24 October 2017 at 13:14, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > We absolutely do not want language communities to be under the control of > local chapters or user groups, for a multitude of reasons, one of the many > being that the chapters are organized by country (or even by territory) > whereas language communities are organized differently. > > I think the idea that the language communities must be represented at a > Wikimedia conference is just wrong. The absolute majority of the > contributors to the Wikimedia projects just do not care (or do not know, > for that matter) about local chapters and affiliates, and they will be very > much surprised to learn that they are represented by anybody at a > conference which started as a conference of affiliates. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters > > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want > > language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user > > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their > > representatives if they must be represented. > > > > Regards, > > > > Isaac. > > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always > :) > > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and > organized > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. > In > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a > > unique situation because of the strategic process. > > > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal. > If > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the > structure > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the > > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be > to > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be > > input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where > we > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar > > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or > project > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing > > language communities in Africa or communities that are > government-blocked - > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would > also > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal). > > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have > in > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate > from > > the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, > > though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > > > Warmly, > > Lodewijk > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > > > Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > > > > > > Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia > > Conference > > > would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For > > the > > > Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to > > the > > > conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the > > > selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been. > > > > > > To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different > > > people from different regions present at the conference, we needed > clear, > > > transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution > > that > > > covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this > > approach > > > – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference > 2018. > > > Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year, > > this > > > approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of > > the > > > Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > > > > > > Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in > > the > > > past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two > > > representatives. > > > > > > I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to > > > receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and > transparent > > > criteria. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Cornelius > > > > > > > > > On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland < > jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I share the questions of Lodewijk > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < > > > > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Of course, I meant: > > > > > > > > > > "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and > will > > > end > > > > > sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Cornelius > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka > > > > > > > > > > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > > > > > for the Wikimedia Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > > > > > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de>: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, > > > > > > > > > > > > A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference > > will > > > > > take > > > > > > place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > > > Berlin-Neukölln > > > > > > (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about > > the > > > > > > program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited > affiliates > > > > > > including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > > > > > > > > > > > == Program Themes == > > > > > > > > > > > > As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia > > > Conference > > > > > > 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia > > > > Movement > > > > > > Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer > the > > > > > question > > > > > > "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means > > > > > identifying the > > > > > > roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities > it > > > > > involves. > > > > > > In order to ensure participation from the organized part of > the > > > > > movement in > > > > > > this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on > > movement > > > > > strategy. > > > > > > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > > > Foundation. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia > organizations > > > and > > > > > > groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in > > working > > > > > with > > > > > > partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at > > the > > > > last > > > > > > Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia > > > conferences, > > > > > we aim > > > > > > to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience > > sharing > > > > and > > > > > > learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia > > > > > movement. > > > > > > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > > > Foundation’s > > > > > Global > > > > > > Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development > > team > > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > volunteer “Partnerships group”. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference > currently > > > is > > > > > > one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among > Wikimedia > > > > > affiliates. > > > > > > Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed > > > > according > > > > > to > > > > > > the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track > will > > > be > > > > > > designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & > Evaluation > > > > team, > > > > > and > > > > > > will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Eligibility Criteria == > > > > > > > > > > > > The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia > > > Conference > > > > > > 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia > > > > > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown > > > signs > > > > of > > > > > > recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on > > > their > > > > > > reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). > > Moreover, > > > > > > affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the > Wikimedia > > > > > > Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > > > > > > > > > > > == Participant number regulation == > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two > > > > > > delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at > > > least > > > > > 0.5 > > > > > > FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a > > paid > > > > > staff > > > > > > member. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Allied organizations may send two delegates. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of > > active > > > > > > editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any > > > affiliate, > > > > > or > > > > > > have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was > > recognized > > > > > after > > > > > > April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an > > > > > > (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, > > > Vietnamese, > > > > > Tamil, > > > > > > Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia > Commons > > > and > > > > > > Wikivoyage communities. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the > > > > Bengali > > > > > > community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi > > > > > community), Wikimedia > > > > > > Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as > > > well > > > > as > > > > > > the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia > > Commons > > > > > > community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the > Wikivoyage > > > > > > communities) may send one delegate. For the language > > > communities > > > > > (Japanese, > > > > > > Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and > > > making > > > > > process > > > > > > on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need > to > > > be > > > > > made in > > > > > > the public (on-wiki). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Registration timeline == > > > > > > > > > > > > The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will > > end > > > > > > sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be > > > provided > > > > > on > > > > > > Meta.[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any questions regarding the registration process or > the > > > > > > Wikimedia Conference, please > > > > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry= > gmail&source=g> > > > do > > > > > not hesitate to send us an e-mail to > > > > > > wm...@wikimedia.de. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Conference team > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka > > > > > > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > > > > > > for the Wikimedia Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 > Berlin > > > > > > Tel. 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