Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want > language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their > representatives if they must be represented. > > Regards, > > Isaac. > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always :) > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and organized > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. In > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a > unique situation because of the strategic process. > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal. If > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the structure > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be to > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be > input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where we > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or project > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing > language communities in Africa or communities that are government-blocked - > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would also > send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal). > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have in > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate from > the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, > though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > Warmly, > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, >> >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia > Conference >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For > the >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to the >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been. >> >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different >> people from different regions present at the conference, we needed clear, >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution that >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this approach >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference 2018. >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year, this >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of > the >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. >> >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in the >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two >> representatives. >> >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent >> criteria. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Cornelius >> >> >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < >>> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Of course, I meant: >>>> >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will >> end >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Cornelius >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Cornelius Kibelka >>>> >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < >>>> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de>: >>>> >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, >>>>> >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference > will >>>> take >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in >> Berlin-Neukölln >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about > the >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >>>>> >>>>> == Program Themes == >>>>> >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia >> Conference >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia >>> Movement >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the >>>> question >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means >>>> identifying the >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it >>>> involves. >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the >>>> movement in >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement >>>> strategy. >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia >> Foundation. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations >> and >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in > working >>>> with >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the >>> last >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia >> conferences, >>>> we aim >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience > sharing >>> and >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia >>>> movement. >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia >> Foundation’s >>>> Global >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team >>> and >>>> the >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently >> is >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia >>>> affiliates. >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed >>> according >>>> to >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will >> be >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation >>> team, >>>> and >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria == >>>>> >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia >> Conference >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia >>>>> Foundation. >>>>> >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown >> signs >>> of >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on >> their >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). Moreover, >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >>>>> >>>>> == Participant number regulation == >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at >> least >>>> 0.5 >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a > paid >>>> staff >>>>> member. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of > active >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any >> affiliate, >>>> or >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was > recognized >>>> after >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, >> Vietnamese, >>>> Tamil, >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commons >> and >>>>> Wikivoyage communities. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the >>> Bengali >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi >>>> community), Wikimedia >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as >> well >>> as >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia > Commons >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language >> communities >>>> (Japanese, >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and >> making >>>> process >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need to >> be >>>> made in >>>>> the public (on-wiki). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> == Registration timeline == >>>>> >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will > end >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. 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