Affiliates have no authority over content, just like the WMF has no authority over content, to imply otherwise whether intentionally or by accident of design is a problem we need fix ensuring that that line isnt crossed. Not only do legal and liabilities make this a must, for affiliates in countries where the governments arent exactly free put editors(real people) at personal risk and content neutrality at risk. Wikimedia Spain isnt responsible for the spanish wikipedia any more than Wikimedia Mexico is, languages cross borders affiliates shouldnt overlap each other or borders
<edit conflict> On 24 October 2017 at 19:56, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not > representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, > the affiliate model has become very different. > > Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and > topics to varying degrees. > > In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language > representatives. There is a difference though between representative in an > outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal > representative. > > The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain > in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles and > responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model. > > Seddon > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <mich...@maggs.name> > wrote: > > > Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has > > always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement > > *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as > > representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific > > language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia. > > > > Michael > > > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local > chapters > > > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want > > > language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user > > > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their > > > representatives if they must be represented. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Isaac. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> > wrote: > > > > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as > always > > :) > > > > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and > > organized > > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole > movement. > > In > > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the > same > > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite > a > > > unique situation because of the strategic process. > > > > > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a > goal. > > If > > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the > > structure > > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation > for > > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the > > > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > > > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would > be > > to > > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could > be > > > input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where > > we > > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would > not > > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar > > > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider > other > > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or > > project > > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing > > > language communities in Africa or communities that are > > government-blocked - > > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would > > also > > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative > what > > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal). > > > > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have > > in > > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate > > from > > > the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, > > > though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > > > > > Warmly, > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > > > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > > >> > > >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia > > > Conference > > >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. > For > > > the > > >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to > > the > > >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the > > >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been. > > >> > > >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different > > >> people from different regions present at the conference, we needed > > clear, > > >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution > > that > > >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this > > approach > > >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference > > 2018. > > >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year, > > this > > >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept > of > > > the > > >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > > >> > > >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in > > the > > >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two > > >> representatives. > > >> > > >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to > > >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and > transparent > > >> criteria. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> Cornelius > > >> > > >> > > >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland < > > jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < > > >>> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Of course, I meant: > > >>>> > > >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will > > >> end > > >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > >>>> > > >>>> Thank you > > >>>> Cornelius > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> > > >>>> Cornelius Kibelka > > >>>> > > >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > > >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > > >>>> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de>: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference > > > will > > >>>> take > > >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > > >> Berlin-Neukölln > > >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about > > > the > > >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates > > >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Program Themes == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia > > >> Conference > > >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia > > >>> Movement > > >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the > > >>>> question > > >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means > > >>>> identifying the > > >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it > > >>>> involves. > > >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the > > >>>> movement in > > >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement > > >>>> strategy. > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > > >> Foundation. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations > > >> and > > >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in > > > working > > >>>> with > > >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the > > >>> last > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia > > >> conferences, > > >>>> we aim > > >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience > > > sharing > > >>> and > > >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia > > >>>> movement. > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > > >> Foundation’s > > >>>> Global > > >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team > > >>> and > > >>>> the > > >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently > > >> is > > >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia > > >>>> affiliates. > > >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed > > >>> according > > >>>> to > > >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will > > >> be > > >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation > > >>> team, > > >>>> and > > >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia > > >> Conference > > >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia > > >>>>> Foundation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown > > >> signs > > >>> of > > >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on > > >> their > > >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). > Moreover, > > >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia > > >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Participant number regulation == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two > > >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at > > >> least > > >>>> 0.5 > > >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a > > > paid > > >>>> staff > > >>>>> member. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of > > > active > > >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any > > >> affiliate, > > >>>> or > > >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was > > > recognized > > >>>> after > > >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an > > >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, > > >> Vietnamese, > > >>>> Tamil, > > >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commons > > >> and > > >>>>> Wikivoyage communities. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the > > >>> Bengali > > >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi > > >>>> community), Wikimedia > > >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as > > >> well > > >>> as > > >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia > > > Commons > > >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage > > >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language > > >> communities > > >>>> (Japanese, > > >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and > > >> making > > >>>> process > > >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need to > > >> be > > >>>> made in > > >>>>> the public (on-wiki). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Registration timeline == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will > > > end > > >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be > > >> provided > > >>>> on > > >>>>> Meta.[1] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please > > >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g > > > > >> do > > >>>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to > > >>>>> wm...@wikimedia.de. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Warm regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference team > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Cornelius Kibelka > > >>>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > > >>>>> for the Wikimedia Conference > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > > >>>>> Tel. 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