I am also withholding my endorsement until the assertion that Mandarin
could overtake English is corrected, and I endorse the "harmony is not
unison" description of views other than mainstream, towards fringe.
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:22 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:
>
>
> Le 27/10/2017 à 16:57, Nicole Ebber a écrit :
>>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> I have taken the unclear wording from the meta page. As I said, no one
>> will be excluded from phase 2 conversations.
>>
>> I would also like to point out that this endorsement page is intended
>> to work like a show of approval and support instead of an RfC. We are
>> asking people to support it, to show that they agree upon the outcomes
>> and intent to contribute to the following process in good faith. It's
>> a group exercise that is also meant to show what unites us as a
>> movement.
>>
>> It is no surprise that not everyone will like everything in the
>> direction, that's probably in the nature of such a document, and in
>> the nature of a strategy process. For those of you who have expressed
>> concerns and wonder about the clarity of the direction, phase 2 will
>> be the the space for all these conversations.
>
> Well, harmony is not unison, and we promote diversity so it would be
> actually strange to *not* hear some dissonance here and there.
>
> I found the previous process interesting to look and participate at, but
> either individual should not be asked to endorse it, or it should be
> permitted to also be clearly neutral and opposed to it.
>
> That is, either the foundation
>
> * is trying to identify a direction built and assented by the
> community¹, which is fine;
> * or is trying to push some direction, while taking more or less into
> consideration feedback from the community, which – as far as I'm
> concerned – is fine too.
>
> But you can't play both sides while throwing a unified façade at the face of
> the world. When you have (as I'm writing) 1 explicit {{neutral}}, 9 explicit
> {{opposed}}, 8 explicit and 68 implicit {{support}}, I don't see the point
> of hiding disagreements. All the more, if endorsement don't play any role in
> participation in future phases, and that there is in fact no actual way to
> oppose to its adoption as is as a base for the next phase. What the point of
> this endorsement at all? Why don't run phase 2 after phase 1 just like have
> been done for cycles?
>
> Finally, where is "knowledge equity" when endorsement requires that people
> "are endorsing the original English version"?
>
> Also, endorsement by groups is a different point, as groups can (and do)
> discuss pros, cons and uselessness of such an endorsement. It would be
> interesting to know at the end of the endorsement how much groups expressed
> endorsement compared to the number of group that the foundation or some
> chapter officially recognize.
>
> And to end on a more positive not, I want to recall that I did deeply
> appreciate participating in this strategy process so far, which produced
> interesting debates both off line and on line, and I already met two people
> making social science works who manifested interest for the archived
> discussion it generated.
>
> Ĝis baldaŭ
>
> ¹ That is, from the extreme minority within the community which do care to
> give an answer and pass all the technical/language barrier to do so.
>
>
>
>>
>> I will now restore the original status of the sections for organized
>> groups and individual contributors, without any sorting order but the
>> time the endorsement has been made.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nicole
>>
>> On 27 October 2017 at 15:59, Peter Southwood
>> <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nicole.
>>> That is not the message we are getting from the endorsement page.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Nicole Ebber
>>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:50 AM
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy:
>>> Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
>>> direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and that
>>> they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good faith. And in
>>> phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with life. The next
>>> steps will will be designed as an inclusive process, but we won't "oblige"
>>> anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we "ban" people from it. A look
>>> into our FAQ can further clarify:
>>>
>>> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
>>> individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
>>> organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with the
>>> broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
>>> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>>>
>>> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more restricted
>>> in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers will remain free to
>>> engage in activities that interest them and they believe will most benefit
>>> Wikimedia and the world."
>>>
>>> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement
>>>> is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>>>> discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does
>>>> not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.
>>>>
>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>>>
>>>>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>>>>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>>>>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>>>>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>>>>
>>>>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>>>>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>>>>> able to join us.[1]
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I
>>>>> invite you today to declare your intent to work together towards this
>>>>> future.
>>>>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>>>>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>>>>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>>>>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>>>>
>>>>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily
>>>>> agreeing with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing
>>>>> means that you commit to participating in the next phase of this
>>>>> discussion in good faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how
>>>>> to come to an agreement on roles, responsibilities, and
>>>>> organizational strategies that enable us to implement that future.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>>>>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>>>>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>>>>> their support, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>>>>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nicole Ebber
>>>>> Adviser International Relations
>>>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
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>>>>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>>>>> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
>>>>> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
>>>>> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
>>>>> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
>>>>> Strategy applies to its own process.
>>>>>
>>>>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness
>>>>> should endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club
>>>>> that deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices.
>>>>> Whatever that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Fae
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