Fae, No, I have come to disagree that "The Wikipedia community has the most success at correcting gender bias by encouraging interested volunteers of any gender to create articles which help correct that bias, in all subjects." This is simply because of our rules regarding references. Oddly, Wikipedia can at best only echo the systemic bias, but will never be able to correct it. To see what I mean, have a look at the percentage female per occupation over at the dicare project. Traditional female professions such as "nurse" or even "nun" have lower percentages female than traditional male professions such as football players have percentages male. Wikipedia currently amplifies systemic bias, and that is not Wikipedia's fault. If you pick up any newspaper and count the gender per obituary you will never approach 50% female (at least not in my lifetime). Of course if you mean by "correct it" to increase efforts like "Women in Red" to inch our percentage of 17% overal to 18% then yes, I do believe that is feasible.
Yesterday I attended a Pieter Pourbus painting exhibition in Gouda and the booklet states in the opening paragraph "He married the daughter of the famous painter Lancelot Blondeel". My companion drily remarked "Didn't she have a name?". I think you will find that such sentences are all over Wikipedia, in all sorts of biography leads. The women are mentioned implicitly more often for their wombs than anything else. Almost like fauna! Here in the Netherlands, the Dutch Wikipedia chased off an editor who was trying to correct systemic bias in the country's archives databases. She ended up publishing a book of female biographies called "1001 Vrouwen" that resurrected the overlooked biographies of notable Dutch women up to 1900. The next one for women of the 20th-century is coming out this year. Now we have references, so we have those 1001 women in Wikidata and lots of new articles about Dutch women in various language Wikipedias. To really help "correct" the gender bias, we need to do much more outreach, because we will never get there with the academic aggregate databases available to us today. Jane On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 7 May 2018 at 10:01, FRED BAUDER <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: > > Women editors might have something to add about nursing and the history > of nursing that adds gender-specific value, increasing our coverage of the > subject. So a workshop at a nursing convention might be valuable. > > > > Fred > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Sent: Mon, 07 May 2018 04:52:31 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems > > > > 2018-05-07 9:55 GMT+03:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Amir, > >> It's funny - after reading your mail I wondered if I had read Romaine's > >> mail correctly. > > > > > > You had probably read it correctly. > > > > Generally, I'm wondering whether direct invitations to women or people of > > color (or women of color, etc.) work as they should. Many people say that > > they work. They may be right, at least in part. If I understand > correctly, > > Romaine says that he has doubts about it, and he's probably right, too, > at > > least for some people. > > > > I'm just trying to say that diversity is important. How do we reach it? I > > don't have very good answers. Probably not "one size fits all". > > > > I mean, I want that woman about whom Romaine was speaking to contribute > her > > knowledge. I want everybody to contribute their knowledge. Unless I > missed > > it, Romaine didn't write what is her expertise, but just for the sake of > > the example, let's make something up and say that it's Astronomy. > > > > Do I want her to contribute her knowledge about Astronomy? Of course I > do. > > Should I tell her that I hope that she contributes her knowledge about > > Astronomy? I probably should. (Do correct me if I'm wrong.) > > > > Do I think that she has something to say about Astronomy that men don't? > > Yes, it's quite possible. Should I tell her that? Hmm, I don't know. > Maybe, > > maybe not. I think that this is the question that Romaine is trying to > > raise. And again, please correct me if I'm wrong. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > Thanks for reminding everyone that we live in the 21st Century, where > there are plenty of women role models at the top of previously male > dominated professions, not just nursing. > > The Wikipedia community has the most success at correcting gender bias > by encouraging interested volunteers of any gender to create articles > which help correct that bias, in all subjects. > > Fae > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
