Yes, +1 to "This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events."
I did attend the Berlin conference in 2017 for the strategy sessions and even there you tend to get overloaded with information while concentrating on specific tasks. I think it's a good idea to split out gatherings into specific elements and then spread them around the world, because it gets exhausting to try to do everything everywhere and at the same time at these multi-purpose events. Alternatively, perhaps some of the key players could be asked to answer short interviews on specific topics, which would greatly reduce the need to fly around all the time. I know from experience that the quickest way to learn stuff is to sit at a computer next to someone in the know. However you can only ask people to do that a limited number of times. It gets to the point where one only wants to help the people who one is 100% certain are going to use what one teaches them...short videos on Commons might help with that problem. On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:07 AM Devouard (gmail) <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think it is a very good move. > > Berlin conference has a big default, which is that, contrariwise to our > mouvement, it is not inclusive. This is a closed conference where only > specific people may go. That naturally let out a whole lot of people. > All those who do great things, but who are not representative of an > affiliate. Berlin has become so big that increasingly, many decisions > are made over there, in a closed environment. And those who are not part > it are missing opportunities to weight in. And with the increasing > number of affiliates, making this closed conference a central point for > thinking, sharing, learning, is likely to create a *huge* monster very > difficult to organise and very costly. > > I hear you when you say "it was a great opportunity to share knowledge > and train people". This is true. But there is no reason not to provide > this opportunity in more venues or more regularly. > > This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or > regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that > all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support > from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events. > > Florence > > > Le 25/09/2018 à 23:28, Shani Evenstein a écrit : > > Dear Cornelius, > > > > Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and > > capacity building? > > Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not > > happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from > most > > affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train > people > > so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge. > > Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other > biggest > > event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity, > > considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring > everyone > > together? > > > > Thanks for shedding some light on this issue. > > > > Best, > > Shani. > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > >> Dear Pine, > >> > >> yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe > the > >> part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and > >> the affiliates. > >> > >> Best regards > >> Cornelius > >> > >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Daniela and Cornelius, > >>> > >>> Thank you for this update. > >>> > >>> Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the > >>> Movement Strategy process and > >>> movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"? > >> Are > >>> you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? 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