Respectfully Disagree. They can formulate questions, coordinate and fact check answers... and that’s off the top of my head.
That said I think wikinews is fundamentally not one is our success stories, but I don’t agree with what my friend Ziko said there. There are many roles for community there. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > One of the central problems of Wikinews is that the content is not > suitable for collaboration. > > Content suitable for collaboration is related to a reality to which > the collaborators equally have access. Think if an encyclopedia based > on scholarly literature that (potentially) everybody can find in a > library. > > When a journalist has spoken to her 'sources' (relevant people), she > is the one who had a special access to theses sources. The editors in > the wiki did not have this access. They can correct typos but do > little more. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > Am Fr., 26. Apr. 2019 um 00:43 Uhr schrieb Philippe Beaudette > <phili...@beaudette.me>: > > > > The very smart Mr. Lih sayeth: > > > > I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with > > notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a direct > > news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no. > > > > [1] > > > https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_discusses_the_future_of_Israel > > > > Me too. In fact, I think this is something that Wikinews has always done > > very well. It also strikes me as an excellent, and quite functional, use > > for a Wiki. A wikivoices or wiki-interviews type project would be a fine > > addition to the ecosystem, imho. And it is very reasonable to think that > > given its success in this area, Wikinews could very easily pivot to fill > > that spot. > > > > But a news competitor to traditional news outlets? Nope, that it isn't. > > > > Philippe > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:05 PM Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:23 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > > > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > It seems to me that you're saying that, on the one hand, the policies > > > that > > > > make Wikipedia work well as an encyclopaedia (NOR, RS, V, NORUSH) > are a > > > > poor fit for a news-gathering operation and on the other hand, > Wikipedia > > > is > > > > a success as a news-gathering operation. These seem inconsistent to > me. > > > > > > > > > As Wikimedians we are secondary source news summarizers rather than > primary > > > source news gatherers. That’s where the difference lies primarily. > > > > > > I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with > > > notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a > direct > > > news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no. > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_discusses_the_future_of_Israel > > > > > > > > > > However, I conclude from what you're saying that the best way > forward is > > > to > > > > fold the Wikinews operation into Wikipedia. Is that right? > > > > > > > > > Fold Wikinews altogether so it doesn’t confuse the public. Wikipedia > > > editors are already doing a stellar job. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:15 PM Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:27 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > > > > > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikinews may not be doing too well, but (English-language) > Wikipedia > > > > > seems > > > > > > to have taken up a news-gathering role not entirely consistent > with > > > its > > > > > > encyclopediac mission: perhaps that's the reason. Maybe the WMF > > > should > > > > > > sort out the demarcation issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jennifer, > > > > > > > > > > This has been a topic of discussion for more than a decade and the > vast > > > > > majority of the community has converged on the conclusion that > Wikinews > > > > > hasn't and won't ever work at any scale given its fundamental > > > properties. > > > > > > > > > > News is often described as "the best obtainable version of the > truth > > > > given > > > > > the constraints of a deadline." News depends on memorializing > direct > > > > > observation at a point in time. Therefore, the following policies > that > > > > make > > > > > Wikipedia work are a bad fit for original, deadline reporting: > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia:NOR - no original research > > > > > Wikipedia:RS - requirement for reliable sources > > > > > Wikipedia:V - verifiability > > > > > Wikipedia:NORUSH - there is no deadline/eventualism > > > > > > > > > > Most anyone who tries Wikinews first hand will experience this > mismatch > > > > and > > > > > realize it is a poor fit. > > > > > > > > > > However, rather than lament why Wikinews doesn't work, we should > > > > celebrate > > > > > the fact that we have found a better mode: entries that evolve > minute > > > to > > > > > minute (oftentimes second to second) to best reflect the world as > we > > > know > > > > > it. Embrace that new, live, constantly updated snapshot of reality > – > > > the > > > > > Wikipedia article. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to see some of the earlier debates about the origins of > > > > > Wikinews, October 2004 is a good place to look: > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/thread.html > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/061017.html > > > > > > > > > > -Andrew > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > > -Andrew Lih > > > Author of The Wikipedia Revolution > > > US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) > > > Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) > > > Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM > > > Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > > > University, Columbia University, USC > > > --- > > > Email: and...@andrewlih.com > > > WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > > > PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Philippe Beaudette phili...@beaudette.me _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
