The fact that this problem exists in nearly anywhere is true, from biases to harasses. The problem is whether or not one actively face it, and if there are any way that is efficient, secure and unbiased way to treat those problems without undermining the trust mechanism of volunteers.
And all the work should not be bore on the reporter. Hatred towards other communities is not uncommonly seen, even in Wikipedia communities, and this is particularly true when it comes to politics. The problem of harassments, sexual or not, should be treated in a manner where most editors can observe how it is dealt (e.g. keeping a Standard Operating Procedure Manual on handling complaints, much like foundation transparency reports on government requests) but case contents keep secret, and only members of the community that are legally-recognized by the WMF should be allowed in dealing with cases like that, and, in particular, a stipend should be given to their work considering the exhaustive nature. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 20:09 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yaroslav is right it is difficult to wade through every minor diff to see a > pattern and AN/I is incapable of reacting to anything but the extremes, > that doesn't mean we don't try to find alternative ways and improve on the > way we deal with issues > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 19:10, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In addition, (English Wikipedia) ANI can reasonably well deal with one or > > several highly problematic diffs, but very often we have a long pattern > > which can result in a long series of diffs, so that each one is > > unproblematic or slightly problematic, but all together thay may > constitute > > a harassment pattern and make the victim feel very unpleasant. ANI is > > absolutely not capable of dealing with this situation, and usually ArbCom > > can not handle it either. In my situation, I overreacted a couple of > times, > > and then every time I would try to raise the question at best it would be > > called "keeping old grudges" and I was advised to "grow thick skin", but > > more often that it was told it was my fault and in fact it was harassment > > from my side. ArbCom was not capable of performing any better. To be > > honest, I do not see how T&S can perform better either. An investigation > of > > such situation would require wading through thousands of diffs and > > reconstructing the whole episodes, and I just do not see how this can be > > done. > > > > Best > > Yaroslav > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The whole purpose of harassing someone is to put them under pressure, > to > > > make the victim upset and force them away from editing. Creating a > clear > > > list > > > of problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events > is > > > impossible during the incident, when all thats desired is to have the > > > immediate abuse stopped. Emotive language is a call for help, seasoned > > > abusers know how to play the game AN/I and the community knows them so > > when > > > they boo the community accepts their version. At AN/I and as Vermont > > > explain its the victim that has to be restrain their language, its the > > > victim that has to be calm, its the victim that has to clearly lay out > > all > > > the diffs, its the victim that has to recount/relive the whole of the > > > abuse. The victim is not at fault but until the system supports the > > victim > > > the problems of in grained abuse and hostility by old hands is going to > > > remain. > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 17:51, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < > > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I see. > > > > > > > > The English Wikipedia, and most projects in general (from my > > experience), > > > > are not perfect at handling problems with established editors. > > > > > > > > This is to be expected. However, there’s some element of draconian > > secret > > > > policing present in having a brigade of T&S employees handling any > and > > > all > > > > conduct issues. We ha e local communities, and in most cases they are > > > > successful in handling issues, but when an editor’s social clout is > > > > involved, and/or when there’s incivility/harassment from multiple > > > parties, > > > > it quickly becomes a larger issue that often ends with little to no > > > action. > > > > > > > > With this issue specifically, it’s minor and local community > functions > > > > would very likely have been able to manage it properly had the > > > discussions > > > > continued. The formation of the messages also help determine the > > > outcome; a > > > > message saying they were told to report there with no links but one > to > > > the > > > > editor’s userpage is not very helpful for people viewing it. A list > of > > > > problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events > is > > > > quite helpful for those viewing it. The latter is much likely to > result > > > > successfully than the former. > > > > > > > > Also, T&S actions are not quick and easy either. Their investigations > > are > > > > usually quite extensive and take equally extensive periods of time. > > > > Communities act quicker, and though the volunteers may be affected > more > > > by > > > > personal prejudice than employees of the WMF, we are a collaborative > > > > project that relies on community input. > > > > > > > > Hopefully the UCoC is successful with setting reasonable definitions > > and > > > > expectations for community enforcement of conduct policies, though in > > my > > > > view larger projects are not the most pressing issue to be addressed > by > > > the > > > > UCoC. This instance of sexual harassment is minor when viewed in > > > > perspective. It’s clearly uncivil and a problem, and we don’t know > how > > > the > > > > ANI section would have ended up if continued (though I would have > > > supported > > > > a strong warning and block if it continued, perhaps an IBAN), but it > > > could > > > > have been handled locally. Take a look at most projects with under 30 > > > > admins. Small community, usually tightly knit, with entrenched > > > hierarchies > > > > of social clout. Those projects are where extreme incivility, blatant > > > > bigotry, and clearly biased administrative actions occur most often. > > Not > > > to > > > > mention non-harassment/incivility issues like copyright violations, > > > > backwards policies, and historical revisionism, completely ignored by > > > local > > > > administrators, which hopefully at some point can be mitigated as > well. > > > > > > > > Regarding Fæ’s email, it would be interesting and useful to see a > study > > > on > > > > boomerangs at ANI. It does seem prevalent for newer editors, > > experiencing > > > > biting from more established editors, to be unable to seek > > rectification > > > > for the more established editor’s conduct. It is unfortunately also > > > common > > > > that, when incivility exists, some of it is present on both sides, > > making > > > > these issues much less clear-cut and dramatically increasing the > > > > potentiality for a boomerang. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Vermont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 15:40 William Chan <will...@wchan.hk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why the harassed normally email T&S but not seeking local help: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes some kinds of harassment against a person or a group is > an > > > > > orchestrated attempt driven by off-wiki matters. Considering the > > > > > "importance" of Wikipedia and it's sister projects, and the > > > fundamentally > > > > > huge size of the movement, it seemed mostly unnoticeable in some > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > These kinds of planned harassment (not only sexual harassment but > all > > > > forms > > > > > of harassment) would not normally be observed in large languages > used > > > by > > > > > different nations because the sheer size of the user base diluted > > their > > > > > attempts. > > > > > > > > > > However, if language becomes national and got very limited outside > > use > > > > > apart from the country they are from (i.e. Japanese in Japan, or > > Korean > > > > in > > > > > Korea,etc. Not saying they have a serious sexual harassment > problem, > > > just > > > > > an example), harassment against the minority may appear in all > forms, > > > > > including but not limited to blocking them from any administrative > > > posts, > > > > > to sexual harassments to an outright ban of some individuals. In > this > > > > case, > > > > > local bodies which deal with harassing would be normally held by > > those > > > > who > > > > > are, or show sympathy to the harasser, and that is the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Local governance (last stand) bodies are usually opaque in nature - > > the > > > > > elections to those bodies are normally fair, but it is not > > transparent > > > > > enough of what they do just because they are volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Those very large communities normally have a (relatively) > inefficient > > > > speed > > > > > to deal with issues because of the number of problems they receive. > > > > > The irony is that, for the smaller communities is, the abuser would > > > have > > > > > some connection with the last-stand bodies, that would mean > conflict > > of > > > > > interest - though with much irony, COI is not observed when they > are > > > > > playing Wikipolitics. > > > > > > > > > > This means, you either get a local "slow safe soace" because they > > > receive > > > > > too many case to review per day, or an "unsafe safe space" because > > > > > harassers know those who deal with these reports. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You either get a language that is too big and inefficient to treat > > > > reports, > > > > > or languages that, because of the size, they harasser may just > > outright > > > > > know the ones who deal with these problems. That's why T&S needs > way > > > more > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > And not all languages have self-governing bodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Written by someone who had emailed T&S about harassments > against > > > > > himself. One harasser got a conduct warning while the other one got > > > > > foundation-blocked. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 22:54 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For a person to report harassment they must first feel safe to > do > > > so. > > > > > Not > > > > > > everyone is capable of dealing with or participating in a public > > > debate > > > > > > about whether they have been harassed, there is a significant > > > > difference > > > > > > between arguing facts on a topic and dealing with harassment and > > > > > offensive > > > > > > comments directed at you. Its a very effective method of > ensuring > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > can keep control of subject areas, or part of Wikipedia. What is > > > going > > > > > > unnoticed, unrecorded and never dealt with is the same people > make > > > > > personal > > > > > > attacks and harass contributors repeatedly, many of these people > > are > > > > > > protected by other at AN/I or large followings that ensure they > are > > > > > almost > > > > > > untouchable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like this thread dismissing problems when they are raised is > > > > > > unhelpful, and has a chilling effect on productive outcomes. > The > > > lack > > > > > of > > > > > > alternative safe ways to address issues has been a problem for > many > > > > years > > > > > > driving away 1,000s of good contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 21:47, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < > > > > > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to understand how requiring public report of > > > > publicly-occurring > > > > > > > harassment is a problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If people are being harassed constantly via off-wiki > > communication, > > > > > > > emailing a local admin team or T&S is definitely the best thing > > to > > > do > > > > > if > > > > > > > they don’t want to make it public in an on-wiki report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if it’s on-wiki, I don’t see any viable reason as to > why > > > it > > > > > > should > > > > > > > not be reported on-wiki as well. By no means is it “doubling > > down” > > > on > > > > > > > harassment; that doesn’t even make much sense considering that > it > > > > isn’t > > > > > > the > > > > > > > collective community making the harassment, it’s an individual. > > It > > > > also > > > > > > > doesn’t matter at all what the harasser feels like either; if > > > they’re > > > > > > > blocked after a civilly-written and clear-cut report on ANI it > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > matter what they think. It’s not acceptable to have a secret > > police > > > > > team > > > > > > to > > > > > > > handle every content issue; community input exists for a > reason, > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > on collaborative projects like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, when did anyone say the community is not willing to > > handle > > > > > > > harassment issues? It truly bothers me to see people write > > nonsense > > > > > like > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will restate: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local communities appoint administrators to enforce consensus. > > > There > > > > is > > > > > > > consensus that harassment should be responded to with warnings > > and, > > > > if > > > > > > > repeated or severe, blocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These administrators usually have a mailing list and an on-wiki > > > > > > > noticeboard. These noticeboards are open for anyone to create > > > > sections > > > > > > on, > > > > > > > and unless a request was clearly made in bad faith or > > intentionally > > > > > > misled > > > > > > > readers, there is practically no chance of successful > retaliatory > > > > > action > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the part of the individual who created the harassment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, a section was made on ANI, multiple editors > > > commented, > > > > > and > > > > > > > for some reason the section was removed mid-discussion. It is > to > > be > > > > > > > expected that someone with an independent viewpoint would seek > > less > > > > > > radical > > > > > > > action than someone directly a party of the dispute. In this > > case, > > > > > there > > > > > > > was incivility and arguable harassment coming from both > parties, > > > > though > > > > > > > clearly “cutie” is not conducive to the desired contributory > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple conduct cases are not the sort of issue for T&S. Let > them > > > (and > > > > > > often > > > > > > > stewards) handle the threats to life, the vandals trying to > find > > > > where > > > > > > > editors live, the IPs making terrorist threats, the new > accounts > > > > > > uploading > > > > > > > child pornography, the vandals spreading the private details of > > > > > editors, > > > > > > > etc. Basic conduct issues can be handled by local > administrators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for the “chilling effect” of reporting issues like this > > > publicly, > > > > > if > > > > > > > someone is incapable of seeing other people interpret events > > > another > > > > > way, > > > > > > > disagreeing with them, or not wanting as drastic and immediate > > > > action, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > may not be suited for a collaborative project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are easy ways to handle people who are clearly harassing > > you > > > > > > on-wiki: > > > > > > > 1) Ask them to stop. If they refuse, > > > > > > > 2) Create a section on ANI giving a short, simple, and unbiased > > > > > > explanation > > > > > > > of the issue with diffs. > > > > > > > 3) Wait for editors and admins to comment. If the community > > > believes > > > > > it’s > > > > > > > problematic enough to warrant action, action will be taken. If > no > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > harassment continues continues, > > > > > > > 4) Most projects have other methods of handling issues like > this. > > > > > Enwiki > > > > > > > has ArbCom for this, simplewiki has community sanction > > discussions, > > > > > other > > > > > > > projects have other methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At no point would removing the ANI report mid-discussion be > > > helpful. > > > > > And > > > > > > > doing so then claiming that it’s the community’s fault is > clearly > > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vermont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 01:46 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers > > are > > > > > > > criminals > > > > > > > > > and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious > > offense. > > > > Any > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are > > not > > > > the > > > > > > law > > > > > > > > > and not above the law. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia is not above the law. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The international aspects and the fact that WMF protects > > editors > > > > > > privacy > > > > > > > > makes options outside the movement very limited to only the > > > extreme > > > > > end > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the scale. Beside the legal aspect its a cop out for the > > > Community > > > > & > > > > > > WMF > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > dismiss any harassment as something they cant do anything > > about, > > > > this > > > > > > > > response is why AN/I is also a waste of time and why so much > > > > > harassment > > > > > > > > never gets dealt with, ultimately why the movement has > > difficulty > > > > in > > > > > > > > attracting under represented groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 13:14, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής < > > > > > > > > anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The code of conduct is not a law. > > > > > > > > > People who are harassers are criminals and not above the > law. > > > > > > > > > Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of > > harrasment > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not > > > above > > > > > the > > > > > > > > law. > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia is not above the law. > > > > > > > > > People who seek help should be appointed to the right > > > specialized > > > > > > > > > authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safety team from my experience, will not help any > > > > wikipedian/victim > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > with report a harrasment case. They are just another > > department > > > > of > > > > > > > > > wikimedia foundation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any people is important and count. > > > > > > > > > Please take what ever actions you think is necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers < > > > > > > > > > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there the problem lies, going to local authorities > > > (police) > > > > > > isn’t > > > > > > > > > > going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged > > > crime > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, > > > > anonymous > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the person who committed the alleged crime makes it > > difficult > > > > to > > > > > > > > identify > > > > > > > > > > the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the > > > > > jurisdiction > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past, > > WP:LEGAL > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > those who have reported threats of physical violence or > > > > > harassment > > > > > > > > > > (physical stalking) to law enforcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process > > for > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > > allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate > > and > > > > > acts > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the > > > > > > victim(s). > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), > where > > > the > > > > > > > > > > allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious > > > grievances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this > > issue, > > > > it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Robert Myers > > > > > > > > > > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wikimedia.org.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής < > > > > > > > > > > anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is > > not > > > a > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you > > local > > > > > > > > authorities > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > report it. This is a very serious matter to just become > > an > > > > > essay > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > someone or belive that it can be solved by > administrators > > > or > > > > > > safety > > > > > > > > > team. > > > > > > > > > > > Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" > > ask > > > > my > > > > > > > > > harrasers > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such > a > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > matter! > > > > > > > > > > > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by > trained > > > and > > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > by your local authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > I wish someone could told me that in my case then and > not > > > > point > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > safety team. They will not help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra < > > > > > > > > > > gnanga...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > έγραψε: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is > > the > > > > > last > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > >> send them for help, that is an absolute failure of > the > > > > > > community > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > >> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling > > down > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > harm. > > > > > > > > > > >> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person > committing > > > the > > > > > > > > > harassment > > > > > > > > > > >> that they have succeeded in causing harm. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain > > > editors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >> imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with > > bias. > > > > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > > > >> english but the cultural nuances of the language vary > > > > greatly > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > >> having multiple meanings and being used specifically > to > > > > cause > > > > > > > > offense. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> The word cutie has its meanings; > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> - of being nice looking when talking about kids and > > > > animals > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> but once its used referring to an adult as part of a > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > >> to that of them being; > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> - of being an arsehole > > > > > > > > > > >> - of being picky > > > > > > > > > > >> - and of having sexual connotations ranging from you > > are > > > > > > > fuckable, > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > >> your sexual orientation. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> When these complaints get to something like AN/I those > > > > > cultural > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > >> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using > > them > > > > has > > > > > > > > gained > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > >> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their > > > > > harassment > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > >> ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled > > to > > > > > harass > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they > have > > > been > > > > > > > > harassed, > > > > > > > > > > >> whether we understand the depth of why they feel > > harassed > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > > > > >> but that should not be a barrier to prevent further > > > > > harassment. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde < > > > > > > > > > reachout2is...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hello Chris, > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> So, if this is something you aren't comfortable > > > discussing > > > > > > > > publicly, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > >>> could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar > > > body > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > >>> community. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> If it's something that should be removed from public > > > view, > > > > > you > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > >>> contact the oversight team. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can > > only > > > > > speak > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > >>> general principle. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Isaac > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, < > > > > > > > > > chris.sherloc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> To be clear, this is what I was advised: > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the > > > > appropriate > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > >>>> process. I would therefore advise you to report the > > edit > > > > > > summary > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>>> appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this > > > > > happened > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > >> English > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board > for > > > > > > > incidents. > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I hope the above is helpful.” > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Chris > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock < > > > > > > > > > > >> chris.sherloc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is > > > > concerned > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > >> being > > > > > > > > > > >>>> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > >> private > > > > > > > > > > >>>> mechanisms to report this sort 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