On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:07 PM Alphos OGame <alphos.og...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Amir, hello all, > > Fantastic news ! > > Quick side question : whatever will happen to the passwords that we kept > on post-it notes sticked to our monitors for lack of frequent use or good > enough cognitive skills ? > Joke aside, will there be a site-wide password purge once v3 is deployed, > or shall we keep on using our old passwords, with the currently plaintext > passwords stored in files simply hashed and stored in the new database ? > You shouldn't reuse those passwords from the old mailman as they are stored in plain text but the good thing (and a rather important thing) about mailman3 is that you can make a central account for all mailing lists and then use that instead. So there won't be a need to store twenty different passwords for each mailing list you are a member of (or admin/moderator). Hope just one more password would be okay ;) Best > > Whatever the case, fantastic news :-) > > Roger / Alphos > > > Le 25 mars 2021 à 08:58, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Hello, > > tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3. Please help > us test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list server. > > Kunal and I have been working on deploying the new mailman (version 3) to > replace mailman2 serving https://lists.wikimedia.org and powering all of > our mailing lists. > > Mailman2 is a dinosaur that should have gone extinct years ago. Pretty old > user interface (especially for admins and moderators), storing passwords in > plain text, lack of any database (everything is file on disk), pretty old > code, lack of ability to search in archives or send email from web > interface, running on EOL python (python2), encoding issues with non-Latin > languages, hard to redact archives, and the list goes on and on. > > The new version has been developed/puppetized/tested in the Cloud and is > now ready for proper testing! Give it a try: > https://lists-next.wikimedia.org. We have created some mailing lists you > can join and can test. If you want to test the experience as a list > administrator/moderator, we can give those permissions out as well. > > WARNING: All data on the lists-next server will be deleted after the test > period is over. > > We will also need help updating documentation on wikis and elsewhere. > > If you find any bugs/issues (yay!), please file a ticket in the > “Wikimedia-Mailing-lists” Phabricator project and we’ll check it out. > > In the coming days/weeks will also import some public mailing lists from > the old version to the new version to check archive size, search index > size, and other aspects. There are other TODOs left as well like > monitoring, logging, anti-abuse, etc. > > Slowly and after testing (hopefully soon), we expect to deploy this on > lists.wikimedia.org and mailing lists one by one or in batches can be > upgraded to the 21st century. > > The overall task tracking this project is T52864 > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864> and a big thank you people who > are helping this move forward. > > Regards, > Kunal and Amir > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, < > mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Amir (he/him)
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