Now *that* is fantastic news indeed. I'll be sure to read up on that. The dinosaur's dead, long live the new, uh, dinosaur ! ;-)
Roger / Alphos > Le 25 mars 2021 à 17:39, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:07 PM Alphos OGame <alphos.og...@gmail.com > <mailto:alphos.og...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hello Amir, hello all, > > Fantastic news ! > > Quick side question : whatever will happen to the passwords that we kept on > post-it notes sticked to our monitors for lack of frequent use or good enough > cognitive skills ? > Joke aside, will there be a site-wide password purge once v3 is deployed, or > shall we keep on using our old passwords, with the currently plaintext > passwords stored in files simply hashed and stored in the new database ? > > You shouldn't reuse those passwords from the old mailman as they are stored > in plain text but the good thing (and a rather important thing) about > mailman3 is that you can make a central account for all mailing lists and > then use that instead. So there won't be a need to store twenty different > passwords for each mailing list you are a member of (or admin/moderator). > Hope just one more password would be okay ;) > > Best > > Whatever the case, fantastic news :-) > > Roger / Alphos > > >> Le 25 mars 2021 à 08:58, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com >> <mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com>> a écrit : >> >> Hello, >> >> tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org <https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/> >> is running mailman3. Please help us test the software before we upgrade the >> real mailing list server. >> >> Kunal and I have been working on deploying the new mailman (version 3) to >> replace mailman2 serving https://lists.wikimedia.org >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/> and powering all of our mailing lists. >> >> Mailman2 is a dinosaur that should have gone extinct years ago. Pretty old >> user interface (especially for admins and moderators), storing passwords in >> plain text, lack of any database (everything is file on disk), pretty old >> code, lack of ability to search in archives or send email from web >> interface, running on EOL python (python2), encoding issues with non-Latin >> languages, hard to redact archives, and the list goes on and on. >> >> The new version has been developed/puppetized/tested in the Cloud and is now >> ready for proper testing! Give it a try: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org >> <https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/>. We have created some mailing lists you >> can join and can test. If you want to test the experience as a list >> administrator/moderator, we can give those permissions out as well. >> >> WARNING: All data on the lists-next server will be deleted after the test >> period is over. >> >> We will also need help updating documentation on wikis and elsewhere. >> >> If you find any bugs/issues (yay!), please file a ticket in the >> “Wikimedia-Mailing-lists” Phabricator project and we’ll check it out. >> >> In the coming days/weeks will also import some public mailing lists from the >> old version to the new version to check archive size, search index size, and >> other aspects. There are other TODOs left as well like monitoring, logging, >> anti-abuse, etc. >> >> Slowly and after testing (hopefully soon), we expect to deploy this on >> lists.wikimedia.org <http://lists.wikimedia.org/> and mailing lists one by >> one or in batches can be upgraded to the 21st century. >> >> The overall task tracking this project is T52864 >> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864> and a big thank you people who >> are helping this move forward. >> >> Regards, >> Kunal and Amir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>?subject=unsubscribe> > > > -- > Amir (he/him) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>>
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