Greetings, I can make a list of things or areas. However, it is not difficult to do so. So far, it looks like the consultation was not open and did not engage the communities who the policy intends to serve. Anyway, in my humble opinion, what we could do is: getting information, experience, suggestions, and requests from the people who are actually working in this area, such as: (note the list is indicative, and incomplete): a) Wikimedians who are working on editor retention and similar initiatives on different projects. They have some idea on why people leave, or what are the challenges? They can give some indications. b) Definitely country and affiliates/hubs leaders: I won't take any specific name, but you can think of a few people from each country, continent, affiliate and hubs who know where it actually hurts in their regions/counties. c) Admins and experienced editors from different projects who have witnessed things themselves: They might be better aware of different discussions, support requests at different village pumps, noticeboards, or during different incidents. d) Major and relevant mailing lists such as Wikimedia-l moderator(s) (or selected long-term posters): sometimes we see discussions on Wikimedia-l "a Wikimedia arrested", or some other unpleasant thing happened. A mailing list moderator or anyone who is following a mailing list for long, may add a lot of inputs. e) Legal team or people handling emergency@wikimedia: From time to time specific requests have gone to the legal team or to the support structures. I am aware of the few emails I have sent. Note: I understand and respect privacy. I am not at all asking to make the information public here (or anywhere). (and so on........)
"could you give some indication what you think you can do to safeguard someone's human rights in another country?" I can make a list of two or three things I know (such as a Wikimedian was arrested, or in India a particular law makes things difficult or possibly vulnerable etc). However, if the same question is asked at the above-mentioned channels (the list was indicative), I am absolutely confident that we will get a whole lot of inputs, indications, and information. I can add my two cents (my experience, or requests) as a part of that process, or I can narrate it now in a standalone format. I personally believe the first option is better. Isn't it so? Now if we have this detailed consultation, first) I am pretty sure we'll have an amazingly huge amount of information and indications. second) because of different socio-economic backgrounds, I feel we will receive extremely diverse inputs and indications. so finally) not everything can be done under different restrictions or limitations. There might be different things out of scope for various reasons. A priority order may be needed at some point. Only after all these steps, possibly a draft policy, alongwith an implementation plan could be better, in my opinion. Isn't it so? [PS: Over-all I find this a very important topic and many thanks for working on this. I am adding inputs with sincere hope that these help the process. Thanks for your kind attention.] ইতি, টিটো দত্ত/User:Titodutta (মাতৃভাষা থাক জীবন জুড়ে) রবি, ১৯ ডিসেম্বর, ২০২১ তারিখে ১০:৫৮ PM টায় তারিখে Andreas Kolbe < jayen...@gmail.com> লিখেছেন: > Hi Tito and all, > > Tito said, in part, > > > 1) Okay, we have an "urgent" policy. What is the plan and procedure to >> safeguard the human rights of someone? Example: If a Wikimedian's human >> right is in danger for using Wikimedia's/OSM's disputed map[1], what's the >> "exact" procedure? >> I do understand that the implementation plan is to be made (around 13:48 >> of the video[2]) and I fully understand that it is going to be difficult on >> a global scale. However the execution plan and procedure will be more >> important. >> > > >> 4) (around 20:00 of the video) "Three people on the Wikimedia-l mailing >> list asked ..." I am one of the three I don't think we/I asked about >> royalty etc. What we speak about is about Wikimedians' lives in different >> socio-economic backgrounds. This is connected with editor retention, >> community health, (and human rights). I'll be very happy to discuss it >> separately on my Meta-Wiki talk page[3] or elsewhere. >> > > > As for the first question, it is early days, but could you give some > indication what you think you can do to safeguard someone's human rights in > another country? You could open communication channels to human rights > organisations, perhaps, and inform them of problematic cases. Is this the > kind of action you have in mind? I must say I sympathise with what Geni > says in his mail – surely the WMF is quite limited in what it can do. > Geni's point about the WMF potentially being perceived as a hostile > campaigner (or, I would add, even a US foreign policy instrument), thus > increasing the risks of participation for individuals, is worth pondering > as well. > > As Tito says, there was also a question about the feasibility of > royalties. This mentioned Tito's and others' posts here, though I think the > questioner was only using those questions about healthcare and minimum pay > as a springboard for their own question. They wondered whether there was > any way to get royalties or licence fees from re-users who use more than a > certain volume of Wikimedia data, and to provide support to volunteers in > this manner. The answer was that it didn't seem likely. But it occurred to > me that the for-profit Wikimedia Enterprise is doing a similar thing, > charging large re-users for API services. So couldn't some of the profits > from that business be used in the way the questioner suggested? The money > would come from much the same companies. > > Andreas > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/FIAT43C22XI24RS4MZSPDE2NZT75BPEW/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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