On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 11:12 PM Dan Szymborski <dszymbor...@gmail.com> wrote: <snip)
> > The WMF likes the *idea* of this being a community-driven, collaborative > project rather than actually doing the stuff that *makes* it a > community-driven, collaborative project. How many times does this process > have to repeat in identical fashion before we stop pretending that this > *is* a community-driven collaborative project? If the goal is simply to be > another generic top-down Silicon Valley information charity, just one that > has somehow procured a gigantic unpaid workforce that the elites can > command, then just state it outright so that people don't spend their free > hours toiling in the delusion they're part of a movement. > > Best, > > Dan > There's a misunderstanding here, I think. The Wikimedia movement and the Wikimedia projects are community-driven and collaborative. The WMF itself is not and has never been. People who expect the WMF to be managed by consensus, determined by RfC, are destined to always be disappointed. The WMF certainly knows many people in the Wikimedia world have that expectation, and I suppose they considered and rejected the possibility of engaging in a community process for this policy. My criticism of the policy itself is that it contains very aspirational statements; I would have preferred it to be focused on what practical actions the WMF can take, and build a policy around how and when those actions will be taken. In any case, the WMF is not a governance experiment. The projects are, to some extent, although that is not their *purpose*. Expecting every policy and decision to be workshopped with "the community" is essentially demanding the WMF be dissolved.
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