The wishlist has reached the end of useful life, I think before we go down that track again we have to look hard at what purpose it serves and what other parts of the whole IT/programming area needs to be consider. To do that put the wish list on hold, clear the backlog of phabricator tickets and bring what tools we have had created over the last 15 years back to full serviceability or shut them down and replace them.
In saying that, there may still be a much needed tool so limit what gets accepted and ask for needs fixing On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 19:26, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not debating your note. It is very valid that we lack proper support > for multimedia stack. I myself wrote a detailed rant on how broken it is > [1] but three notes: > - Fixing something like this takes time, you need to assign the budget > for it (which means it has to be done during the annual planning) and if > gets approved, you need to start it with the fiscal year (meaning July > 2022) and then hire (meaning, write JD, do recruitment, interview lots of > people, get them hired) which can take from several months to years. Once > they are hired, you need to onboard them and let them learn about our > technical infrastructure which takes at least two good months. Software > engineering is not magic, it takes time, blood and sweat. [2] > - Making another team focus on multimedia requires changes in planning, > budget, OKR, etc. etc. Are we sure moving the focus of teams is a good > idea? Most teams are already focusing on vital parts of wikimedia and > changing the focus will turn this into a whack-a-mole game where we fix > multimedia but now we have critical issues in security or performance. > - Voting Wishlist survey is a good band-aid in the meantime. To at least > address the worst parts for now. > > I don't understand your point tbh, either you think it's a good idea to > make requests for improvements in multimedia in the wishlist survey or you > think it's not. If you think it's not, then it's offtopic to this thread. > > [1] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMPZHMXSLQJ6GONAVTFLDFFMPNJDVORS/ > [2] There is a classic book in this topic called "The Mythical Man-month" > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:41 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> we have to vote for regular maintenance and support for >> essential functions like uploading files which is the core mission of >> Wikimedia Commons >> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 17:32, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The wishlist survey is defined as: >>> > The Community Wishlist Survey is an annual survey that allows >>> contributors to the Wikimedia projects to propose and vote for tools and >>> platform improvements >>> >>> That doesn't necessarily translate into just "new tools". The community >>> can wish for better support of multimedia stack and improvements on the >>> multimedia platform and If it gets enough votes, I'm hopeful it'll be >>> picked up. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:02 AM Željko Blaće <zbl...@mi2.hr> wrote: >>> >>>> Nice. This looks much better than before. Previously it felt so many >>>> people had high hopes for projects that are outside of capacities that are >>>> committed to this project. I feel this needs to be a super clear fact from >>>> the start and not ask for the global community to commit XYZ number of >>>> hours in the actions of promoting, translating, proposing and decision >>>> making processes when developers can commit far less back to the same >>>> community. Otherwise it feels like unbalanced work from a more holistic >>>> perspective, but this is also non-exceptional...no? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/W2DTMUUD76RCBVPOJ3VGSJKPYL7V6EZF/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Amir (he/him) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZSZM4BRNWV3NIQ6RH66QBFFINLKMOIKG/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> * >> 2021* >> *Celebrating 20 years of Wikipedia* >> >> >> Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra >> Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page >> My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/M2NB574Y7NUG5PVVW52NAWZOPYOWH6VI/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > Amir (he/him) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/BO72BTV53NQ2R6KOEPZ7HYJLEZZA4BYF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- GN. * 2021* *Celebrating 20 years of Wikipedia* Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u
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