Separate thread. I'm not sure which list is appropriate. *... but not all the way to sentience <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uplift_War>.*
The annual community wishlist survey (implemented by a small team, possibly in isolation?) may not be the mechanism for prioritizing large changes, but the latter also deserves a community-curated priority queue. To complement the staff-maintained priorities in phab ~ For core challenges (like Commons stability and capacity), I'd be surprised if the bottleneck were people or budget. We do need a shared understanding of what issues are most important and most urgent, and how to solve them. For instance, a way to turn Amir's recent email about the problem (and related phab tickets) into a family of persistent, implementable specs and proposals and their articulated obstacles. An issue tracker like phab is good for tracking the progress and dependencies of agreed-upon tasks, but weak for discussing what is important, what we know about it, how to address it. And weak for discussing ecosystem-design issues that are important and need persistent updating but don't have a simple checklist of steps. So where is the best current place to discuss scaling Commons, and all that entails? Some examples from recent discussions (most from the wm-l thread below): - *Uploads*: Support for large file uploads / Keeping bulk upload tools online - *Video*: Debugging + rolling out the videojs <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248418> player - *Formats*: Adding support for CML <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18491> and dozens of other <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297514> common high-demand file formats - *Thumbs*: Updating thumbor <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T216815> and librsvg <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193352> - *Search*: WCQS still <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297454> down <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297454>, noauth option <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297995> wanted for tools - *General*: Finish implementing redesign <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28741> of the image table SJ On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 6:26 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not debating your note. It is very valid that we lack proper support > for multimedia stack. I myself wrote a detailed rant on how broken it is > [1] but three notes: > - Fixing something like this takes time, you need to assign the budget > for it (which means it has to be done during the annual planning) and if > gets approved, you need to start it with the fiscal year (meaning July > 2022) and then hire (meaning, write JD, do recruitment, interview lots of > people, get them hired) which can take from several months to years. Once > they are hired, you need to onboard them and let them learn about our > technical infrastructure which takes at least two good months. Software > engineering is not magic, it takes time, blood and sweat. [2] > - Making another team focus on multimedia requires changes in planning, > budget, OKR, etc. etc. Are we sure moving the focus of teams is a good > idea? Most teams are already focusing on vital parts of wikimedia and > changing the focus will turn this into a whack-a-mole game where we fix > multimedia but now we have critical issues in security or performance. > - Voting Wishlist survey is a good band-aid in the meantime. To at least > address the worst parts for now. > > I don't understand your point tbh, either you think it's a good idea to > make requests for improvements in multimedia in the wishlist survey or you > think it's not. If you think it's not, then it's offtopic to this thread. > > [1] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMPZHMXSLQJ6GONAVTFLDFFMPNJDVORS/ > [2] There is a classic book in this topic called "The Mythical Man-month" > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:41 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> we have to vote for regular maintenance and support for >> essential functions like uploading files which is the core mission of >> Wikimedia Commons >> >
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