Thank you for fixing that mistake but again. If anyone were paid above $187,000 they would show up in the main list and only 12 people are there. And again it doesn't make sense with assuming c-levels and the highest paid employees in WMF being paid a little above "average".
Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., 30. Jan. 2022, 03:37: > Amir, > > You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according > to the form)." > > Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of > highest earners you mention), > > "Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed > above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the > organization – *165*" > > That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to > freelancers). > > Andreas > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong. >> >> If you look at 2019 Form: >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_2019_Form_990.pdf >> In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid >> employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than >> "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 >> people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the >> highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with >> the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to >> the form). >> >> There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF >> "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer >> of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff >> and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff >> compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all >> but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact >> that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive. >> >> If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and >> divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per >> person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, >> network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the >> dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except >> grants. >> >> (In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend) >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also >>> states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is >>> probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to >>> more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 >>> each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the >>> smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over >>> $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries >>> and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself >>> and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are >>> exaggerations. >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/Annual_Plan_2021-2022 >>> >>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk <kren...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Do you have a source for that number? >>>> >>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by >>>>> volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over >>>>> $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be >>>>> considered >>>>> wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still >>>>> relevant to us here at least. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/AW6WDMV66RGYVAGCKMNYHXVHV5KFNRLK/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/TDLU5RAG57LL74Z65D3DL24WFO6WV6YV/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Amir (he/him) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/MAJIC34YZL5TJNJKQQFI2GWYDJJDPQH5/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WI5D5ZB574HCTWEON6VOQE3EWH7EBYSZ/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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