Interesting discussion but away from the focal point of what Christian shared. Hope both can be useful and continue but in separate email threads.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:04 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andreas - > > First off, contract employees are employees. There were 82 of them. (Part > V, line 1a on the Form 990) They do not receive a W-3 form. Only 291 > employees received the W-3 form. That brings employee total to 373. > > Secondly, you fail to compensate for the fact that the 13 "key employees" > - officers, the top 5 compensated non-officer staff, and other key staff - > received approximately $3.3 million alone. That reduces the employee pool > to 360 and the compensation pool to $52.3 million. > > That gives an average total compensation of about $145,000 USD. > Reportable compensation includes pension plan contributions, medical/dental > plans, paid leaves,social security/medicare taxes, insurance, costs > reimbursed for maintaining a home office, and many other forms of direct or > indirect compensation. The benefits package would run about 25-30% of the > base salary, and other compensation will add into that. > > There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the employee numbers remained > static the following year; in fact, in your other statement, your figures > would suggest you think the WMF currently has about 650-675 staff. > > Risker/Anne > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 21:37, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Amir, >> >> You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according >> to the form)." >> >> Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of >> highest earners you mention), >> >> "Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed >> above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the >> organization – *165*" >> >> That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to >> freelancers). >> >> Andreas >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong. >>> >>> If you look at 2019 Form: >>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_2019_Form_990.pdf >>> In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid >>> employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than >>> "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 >>> people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the >>> highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with >>> the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to >>> the form). >>> >>> There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF >>> "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer >>> of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff >>> and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff >>> compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all >>> but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact >>> that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive. >>> >>> If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and >>> divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per >>> person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, >>> network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the >>> dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except >>> grants. >>> >>> (In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend) >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas >>>> also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is >>>> probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to >>>> more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 >>>> each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the >>>> smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over >>>> $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries >>>> and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself >>>> and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are >>>> exaggerations. >>>> >>>> Risker/Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/Annual_Plan_2021-2022 >>>> >>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk <kren...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you have a source for that number? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by >>>>>> volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over >>>>>> $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be >>>>>> considered >>>>>> wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but >>>>>> still >>>>>> relevant to us here at least. >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/AW6WDMV66RGYVAGCKMNYHXVHV5KFNRLK/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/TDLU5RAG57LL74Z65D3DL24WFO6WV6YV/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Amir (he/him) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/MAJIC34YZL5TJNJKQQFI2GWYDJJDPQH5/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WI5D5ZB574HCTWEON6VOQE3EWH7EBYSZ/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZGGAEY747TBJODXKHONCOZWKLGFIBJSK/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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