On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:21 AM Bobby Shabangu < [email protected]> wrote:
> Very interesting conversations here! > > > And indeed I agree with Florence. There really needs to be serious voter > education especially in global South Communities, focusing on how the > transferable voting system works. I went to these elections very worried > about the same thing, raising it sharply during our candidate onboarding > session. > > I was disappointed during WikiIndaba conference to hear a number of the > conference participants wishing me well with the elections adding that they > only voted for me! > > Anyway, we live to fight another day, thanks to everyone who voted for > me - placing me as their top 4 candidate in their vote. And congrats once > again to the elected candidate. > > Best regards, > Bobby Shabangu > Rather than just thinking about how to teach voters how to vote, we should consider ways to adjust the process to make it more intuitive to understand. We have the opportunity to do this as part of the Board governance conversation that is collecting feedback now I think? The data is clear that ranking this many candidates is overly complex and many voters won’t do it. The data also reflect real-world confusion in political elections implementing ranked choice voting. The eligibility requirements round did a good job of eliminating a few candidates that would likely not have performed well. We really need to think about ways to decrease the number of candidates to a more reasonable number if we want to increase voter participation. For instance, we could consider regional primaries where we specifically ask voters from a given set of wikis and organizations to nominate 1-2 Board candidates from their combined geographic + language region. It wouldn’t be perfect but with predefined voter participation thresholds and more targeted campaigns, it could make election outreach more effective at driving proportionally greater voting. This kind of equity is why the Global Council idea was brought forth, but we could achieve a similar outcome without creating an entirely new governance body. > On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 at 13:53, Wikipedysta Nadzik < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> *Thank you everyone for all your congratulations, both here and in >> private!* >> >> Thanks to some unexpected free time, I created a summary of some voting >> stats based on the publicly available vote dump >> <https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/1638> (please >> don't worry, it is impossible to see how any single person voted!). >> >> *The stats are available here: User:Nadzik/BoT elections 2024 stats >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nadzik/BoT_elections_2024_stats> on >> Meta.* >> >> Given my position in this process, I choose to refrain from commenting on >> the data; I publish it and its visualisation without biased commentary. I >> invite you to take a look at it and interpret it yourself. >> >> I can only highlight that *some of the points mentioned above have a >> basis in the available data.* >> >> We also await for more data (i.e. voter turnout) to be published on the >> official >> page >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Stats>by >> the WMF, which will give some more insights. >> >> Cheers, >> >> sob., 12 paź 2024 o 12:47 kayode yussuf via Wikimedia-l < >> [email protected]> napisał(a): >> >>> Congratulations to the newly elected board members, and huge thanks to >>> those who chaperoned the process. >>> >>> I must also second Florence's point on voters' education. >>> >>> The board is an important instrument for the community and the >>> foundation, we must seek to get the best hands-on board, even if we want >>> minorities represented. >>> >>> >>> *Kayode Yussuf* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 07:46:58 PM EDT, Levi Kambai Timothy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Congrats to all elected board members. Hoping those who lost (both the >>> voters and the voted) will take note of the concerns including low edit >>> counts and improper voting to do better next time. It will be good to have >>> a movement with representatives from across the globe, but then what they >>> have to offer matters, too. Change is a process, not a destination. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Kambai >>> >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 at 22:01, Florence Devouard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am not 100% sure I understand the graphic well. So please correct me >>> if I am wrong in my interpretation. >>> >>> But the way I understand it, it seems to me that the issue #1 is that >>> voters are un-educated about how to vote wisely in such a voting system. >>> >>> For example, let's consider the votes from those who voted for >>> Tesleemah. When she was dropped, 80 of the votes went down the drain. That >>> means 80 people voted either for her ONLY, or for her and maybe Mohammed >>> and Erik. That is IT. >>> Their vote was lost. I in fact suspect that she had a lot of voters for >>> her who actually put only her name and none others. >>> Maybe those voters did not understand how valuable it would have been to >>> put more names on their list. >>> >>> I know that I realized that situation during the voting process when >>> some people told me that they had voted for "their favorite choice". And >>> when I said "you probably should not vote for only one person but for >>> several", they went "Really ????" >>> >>> The fact that 413 votes were lost all together as non-transferable is >>> certainly pointing out to a lack of understanding of the process and how to >>> make the best of the vote. >>> >>> And maybe some communities understand this voting system better than >>> other communities. >>> >>> My point #2 is that if under represented communities really want to have >>> a person on the board, they really need to adopt a collective strategy >>> where there will be only one candidate for it to avoid spreading thin. >>> OR, if they have two (or more), they need to push the idea that the >>> people voting for them should also put a vote for the other, for the rank >>> immediately below, rather than only for their favorite choice amongst the >>> two (obviously, they should vote for the two only if both options are >>> acceptable in their book). This would ensure the vote to be transferred to >>> the second when their fav choice is eliminated. >>> >>> >>> Looks to me that the issue might be rethinking on how to teach voters >>> how to vote strategically. >>> >>> And maybe... maybe... though it is a "decrease of liberty", it should be >>> made mandatory to rank at least half of the candidates ? >>> >>> >>> Flo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 11/10/2024 à 11:49, Philip Kopetzky a écrit : >>> >>> Well, congratulations to 4 people living in Western Europe. If this >>> result doesn't get the Wikimedia Foundation to rethink their approach to >>> how they select their board members, I don't know what will. >>> >>> I guess it's up to communities, affiliates and regional structures to >>> create the change we want to see, noe more than ever. >>> >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, 11:38 Katie Chan, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *You can find translations of this message or help translate this >>> message on Meta >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Announcement/Results(short_version)>.* >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation >>> Board of Trustees election >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024>. >>> 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted. >>> >>> The following four candidates were the most voted: >>> >>> - Christel Steigenberger >>> - Maciej Artur Nadzikiewicz >>> - Victoria Doronina >>> - Lorenzo Losa >>> >>> While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still >>> need to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a >>> successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the >>> Bylaws. New trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in >>> December 2024. >>> >>> Read the full announcement on Meta-Wiki >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Announcement/Results(long_version)> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group >>> >>> -- >>> Katie Chan >>> Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the >>> author is associated with or employed by. >>> >>> >>> Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >>> - Heinrich Heine >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/4HJ2INEFLQD233H3BQBWZ2BP65NN7FRY/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/HXWD2ZSMZF46OVVBBZY45OSNJSHX5AYM/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/KDL5ZML4UEHYSZGYFCA2A72PSFBHLSWN/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RRMSNEB4S5IYCA6KDR6HOM6FOCSI5JFM/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/SAV5B45NEE22KLSFAFXRNK4W4HBLFW4G/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> *User:Nadzik <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nadzik>* >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/XXSPXYPCLFAJWEYYQIAAZXUUBT5FNETF/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/JHGWU5J6ERW7DI5IYSEJAIKAUMZUY5W6/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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