And agreed with Sarah - we'd welcome applications to Wikimedia Australia's own small grants scheme for petrol/travel expenses for individual expeditions for Commons. Only apply if there actually are expenses - my trips to the northern suburbs of Perth cost me nothing but my own time - but these regional expeditions where people are travelling hundreds of kilometres, or need equipment which they're only really (for the most part) going to use for our purposes, clearly qualify in my view.
kindest regards Andrew On 6 May 2010 03:44, Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com> wrote: > This all reminds me that I really, really need to go through and upload all > my southern Melbourne, Newcastle, Perth, Mandurah, Geraldton and Bunbury > shots going back four years. Amazing how many you collect fully intending to > upload to commons and it just never happens for one reason or another. > > And Bidgee, re things being lost forever - had the same idea re Marysville > when that happened. > > kindest regards > Andrew > > > On 5 May 2010 19:18, Matt inbgn <mattin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> >> Probably not the place for this but since you have brought the topic up >> ... >> >> I have about 50-60 photos from Temora taken last weekend that are almost >> ready to upload. Some beautiful churches and public buildings there. These >> go with the ones from Ariah Park (a very attractive town), Beckom, Mirrool >> (Home of the Silo Kick!) and Barmedman already uploaded and some of >> Ardlethan and Morundah yet to upload. >> >> Hay, Carrathool, Goolgowi (maybe Hillston) etc. are on the list for a >> future weekend (when sunny weather permits). >> >> Matt >> >> >> On 5 May 2010 20:55, <bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au> wrote: >> >>> I just signed up to this mail list yesterday (didn't know it had existed >>> until yesterday). >>> >>> I had photographed most of the Top End of the NT but lost 80% >>> (unrecoverable) of my photos during the move down south. >>> >>> When I returned back to NSW my aim was to cover as much cities, suburbs, >>> towns, villages and locality not just in NSW but other states and >>> territories. >>> >>> Locations in my local (within 15km) area have been covered by walking or >>> riding a push bike (yes it is possible) and other locations used coaches >>> (as I don't have a car nor license [I'll get one someday]) which has >>> meant >>> I've needed to stay overnight and I pay out of my own pocket (My most >>> recent Canberra trip cost me $50 [return coach ticket], $120 for >>> overnight >>> accommodation and $8.80 for an ACTION off-peak bus ticket [two days]) and >>> I >>> plan the places to photograph and map them but even then you only cover >>> 20% >>> in a day. >>> >>> In the next few weeks (sometime in June) I will be visiting Point Cook >>> and >>> then it will be back to Canberra (date is yet to be set) but I'm hoping >>> to >>> do a two or three day trip to Albury/Wodonga and Temora this year. >>> >>> There are so many importance and historic places (not just buildings, >>> statues, trees ect) that have only a few photographs or none at all over >>> Australia and the earthquake in Kalgoorlie-Boulder just proves that they >>> can be lost forever. Maybe we should look at forming groups to cover >>> remote >>> areas and in areas no so remote area. I would even put out the challenge >>> to >>> cover some areas by public transport and push bikes. ;) >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:08:03 +0800, Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application. >>> > >>> > One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I >>> > attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) >>> was >>> > the >>> > Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs >>> also >>> > undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included >>> petrol, >>> > accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and >>> a >>> > few >>> > others talking along similar lines. >>> > >>> > I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that >>> some >>> > areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from >>> a >>> WA >>> > point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm >>> sure >>> > anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within >>> > reach) >>> > which falls into this category. In the past, despite my >>> non-car-ownership, >>> > I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians, >>> Mattinbgn >>> > and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of >>> things >>> > like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our >>> articles >>> > and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an >>> > appropriate plan. >>> > >>> > The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars >>> (15-20?) >>> > who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically >>> > anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time >>> > with >>> > a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to >>> > Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people >>> > available >>> > made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and >>> do >>> > different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the >>> > backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot >>> with >>> > local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so >>> were >>> > able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected >>> > audience. >>> > >>> > Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages >>> the >>> > membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of >>> purpose >>> > and the goals of WMF, tick. >>> > >>> > OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think? >>> > >>> > >>> > On 5 May 2010 17:30, private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to >>> >> >>> >> engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through >>> >> application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the >>> >> proposed project will be run' >>> >> - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try >>> and >>> >> get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth >>> >> trying is a different question, I guess :-) >>> >> 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly >>> and >>> >> >>> >> get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted >>> >> out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' >>> >> - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be >>> able >>> >> to >>> >> get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions >>> and >>> >> activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as >>> a >>> >> membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of >>> >> future >>> >> grant applications etc. >>> >> >>> >> 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for >>> >> him to be globally banned' >>> >> - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he >>> call >>> >> for >>> >> me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising >>> comments >>> >> about me personally as oppose to my posts.... however; >>> >> 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in >>> requests >>> >> to >>> >> the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' >>> >> - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / >>> >> expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something >>> >> happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report >>> card >>> >> for >>> >> the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-) >>> >> cheers, >>> >> Peter, >>> >> PM. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahew...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long >>> >>> term and recent "controversies" throughout WMF universe which >>> >>> culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for >>> >>> him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to >>> >>> lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts >>> >>> of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting >>> >>> potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and >>> >>> whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved >>> in. >>> >>> >>> >>> I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin >>> (my >>> >>> notes are up on the wiki here- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working_group:_Volunteers >>> >>> ) >>> >>> and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made >>> >>> it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like >>> a >>> >>> preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed >>> >>> more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that >>> >>> date. >>> >>> >>> >>> Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for >>> an >>> >>> outreach conference they wanted to run because it fell through and >>> >>> didn't end up going ahead. Paying back the funds was a real headache >>> >>> for the committee (especially for Brian as the then-treasurer) and it >>> >>> took a considerable amount of time to resolve with the foundation. I >>> >>> don't want to see this happen again so I'd oppose any moves to rush >>> >>> through any ill-considered applications just to get them in before >>> May >>> >>> 15 or that seem more orientated on getting money for the sake of it >>> or >>> >>> for the simple stated purpose of engaging with the grant process. >>> >>> Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to >>> >>> engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought >>> through >>> >>> application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the >>> >>> proposed project will be run. If we have to pay back another grant, >>> >>> it's going to reflect very poorly on the chapter so this isn't >>> >>> something that should just be slapped together at the last minute. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly >>> and >>> >>> get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted >>> >>> out as carefully as possible before submitting applications. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/5/10, Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I'll be straight up and state I'm not going to support this, for a >>> >>> variety >>> >>> > of reasons. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Firstly, I don't think our chapter is capable of producing a grant >>> >>> > application to the standard WMF require for such a big area >>> >>> > (education) >>> >>> in >>> >>> > 10 days that addresses all the things WMF expect us to address. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Secondly, this appears to be trying to reinvent the wheel. Craig's >>> >>> project >>> >>> > up in Brisbane is already making significant advances, at least >>> three >>> >>> other >>> >>> > chapter members have made contacts with (or have been contacted by) >>> >>> > educational departments and representative associations, and >>> completed >>> >>> > resources already in use in schools exist in other languages from >>> >>> > other >>> >>> > chapters - I'm presently trying to secure translations of these on >>> >>> behalf of >>> >>> > the chapter. Without any attempt to coordinate the various >>> approaches, >>> >>> we're >>> >>> > not only less effective but also give the outward appearance of >>> being >>> >>> > disorganised to the various educational bodies involved. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Thirdly, given your recent conflict with, among other people, Jimbo >>> >>> Wales >>> >>> > and various concerns about past occasions when you have undertaken >>> >>> chapter >>> >>> > work (in particular the Dictionary of Sydney episode), I do not >>> think >>> >>> you >>> >>> > personally should be making any outward representation of our >>> chapter >>> >>> and, >>> >>> > if the grant were to be approved, I think someone else should lead >>> it. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > kindest regards >>> >>> > Andrew >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On 5 May 2010 11:46, private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> G'day all, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant >>> >>> >> like >>> >>> >> this? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education, >>> >>> >> hopefully >>> >>> >> in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in >>> the >>> >>> next >>> >>> >> week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward >>> it >>> >>> to >>> >>> >> the >>> >>> >> grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to >>> >>> engage >>> >>> >> with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or >>> >>> opportunities, >>> >>> >> please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get >>> them >>> >>> going >>> >>> >> :-) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> cheers, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Peter, >>> >>> >> PM. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> >>> >> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> >>> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> >> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> >> >
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