Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All,
I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a behaviour. While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring, debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all. As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I too subsequently inquired and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back. Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your mail. Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia India, I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of the community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally say, Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid from their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one of its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for on having supported Bodhisattwa. Like the allegation today, even two years back on Wikimania there happened to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning you and your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in supporting you. Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who questioned then is also a very senior member and having been associated as a staff in few of the institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be in a very similar position, an experienced community who is questioning with no so proper tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the community members in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites. Now, coming to responses made by Satdeep and Subhashish on the other thread. This issue requires much more gravity. A lot of things have been happening without community being informed anything. This just not concerns one person. Correct me if I am wrong, but this summer an affiliates conference was organised in Bengaluru, just before the Berlin Wikimedia Conference. To my understanding, all delegates were supposed to attend the conference were invited and others who reside in Bengaluru. But then, what was the need to make this exercise secret in nature. Again, only to my understanding, this was organised by Centre for Internet and Society. Like Subhashish has mentioned, need for a consensus, share it on Wiki for transparency or not, participants create Learning Patterns and write report etc. Such things should happen here too. Also, is there an event page on Meta about this meeting? To my CIS friends, nothing personal here, the argument on transparency has been happening so I though of voicing my views. I would advise you to keep informing the community of your activities, I cannot find any monthly work reports which used to be shared earlier. In fact, the meta page does not even provide a 2018 section for reports. Please look into this, we are in the 8th month of the year. My piece of advice would be let someone volunteer and create your reports, if you do not have staff at the moment. Just like Wikimedia India were reports are created by volunteers. At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and Subhashish raise your voice but maintain friendly spirt. Thanks, On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:26 AM Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I expected more discussion on this. Although, Subhashish reposted this on > Wikimania mailing list and asked some really good questions. > > I agree with Subha that if an affiliate decides to send someone to > Wikimania then the whole selection process should be transparent and also > some reporting guidelines should be established similar to Wikimania. > > All this can help ensure trust of the wider Wikimedia community in our > processes and decisions. > > I do want to hear why was it deemed necessary for the WMIN President to be > present at that informal meetup during Wikimania. > > I do know that for some other Chapters whose chairperson's were not > attending Wikimania, some editor Board/EC member attended the meetup on > their behalf. > > I expect to hear more about this. > > Regards > Satdeep Gill > > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> > Member, Affiliations Committee > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> > Member, Language Committee > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 17:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal < > bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> WMIN chapter president Rahul Deshmukh attended Wikimania 2018 in Cape Town >> without being selected for any type of scholarship. My question is why was >> he sent to the conference depriving other community members from India who >> were in the waiting list. >> >> He spoke in the informal chairpersons' meetup for few minutes. The meeting >> doesn't require president of the organization's presence, and already >> there >> were 2 EC member of WMIN present, who could have attended the meeting. >> >> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >> >> Thanks, >> Bodhisattwa >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20180727/0bc24b91/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1465, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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